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andyjs999
 Post subject: Issues gluing Sapele
PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:54 am 
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Very weird....I'm building my first electric guitar, but I've been working with wood for a long time. I'm putting a 1/4 sapele face on the back and for some reason I'm having trouble gluing the book-matched pieces together. I've always used Titebond, but for some reason the joint won't hold and I can actually just pull the two pieces apart after letting it dry for about 24 hours. Has anyone else had this issue? Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Chris Pile
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How old is your Titebond?

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That is a good question. Probably less than 8 months old. It's Titebond II and it's been working fine on maple.
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Sapele is usually not a problem to glue.....try cleaning your freshly joined edges with some DA prior to glue up. Perhaps this piece has a high resin content, that should take care of that.

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Silly question, Brian: What is DA? I'll be needing some for gluing Teak soon, I'm sure, if it helps with high resin/oil content.

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Denatured Alcohol.

Thanks, Brian that is a good idea. I will try that and re-post.
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I knew it was a silly question. What's 2+2 again? :)
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No silly questions! Just don't drink the DA!
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Not even with a mixer? :)
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Nick Royle wrote:
I knew it was a silly question.


There are no silly questions...just silly assumptions.

When joining Sapele I only use Titebond and have never had problems.

I can only think of two things...bad glue...or contaminated surfaces.

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Third attempt on this glue up. Re-jointed, wiped down with DA, and tight clamps. Just a little bit better but still able to bend the joint. I think it's time to give up on this billet! I'm pissed that I already planned to add the thickness on the back and planed down my mahogany body. Now I need to find a maple cap for the back.
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Next time only try to use Titebond I, with the red label. The other one should have held, but you probably didn't have a clean joint and not enough surface to glue. I know titebond II is not recommended by all the luthiers I have ever seen talk about it.
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I agree, titebond 1 is preferred for this game. But I have glued more Sapele than I can remember with the type 2 without any problems.

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Thank you JEguitars and everyone else. I re-jointed AGAIN and used Titebond Original and it worked. Thank you for the help everybody!
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