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It's more of a B1-B Stealth shape if you ask me.

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That's a Martin.

Maybe the first one could be a venician volute and the second a florentine volute.

Ok, I'm outa here before the conversation gets volute-tile....

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Over at Santa Cruz Guitars they call it the "dart".


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I'd be more interested in knowing why someone would put the tuners on upside down?


That's something I've seen a lot of lately, in photos of other's works. Why? I sure want to know, why?

It's a nightmare to a player to reach for a tuning peg and it turns in reverse from what you're used to. Arghhhh! Do we not play what we build?!?

As to the pedantry of  naming issues.... I stand aside, watch and chuckle. As one who is still learning this English language, it's quite amusing.



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I fired up the barby. Where is the guy with the fillet?

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Ahhh, but some of those have the gears reversed, so the direction you turn is normal even though the barrel/gear to post/worm is not "normal".    Many vintage instruments are done backwards...for instance, check out old Gibson mandolins...gear above worm...and yes, the string pull tends to disengage the gear from the worm.   Also there are early Fender basses that are all bass-ackwards...

This is a perfect example of the tradition of screwed up-ness.


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In some cases changes in the language reduce precision, and contribute to confusion. My pet peeve in that respect is the use of 'flame' to mean 'curly' in describing wood grain. When I was a tad, there was curly maple, bird's eye maple, quilt maple, and so on, and any one of the them could have tight or loose figure, and be more or less flamed. A highly flamed piece of blistered maple has more pronounced figure than one with less flame, and so on. I still wonder sometimes what sort of figure somebody is talking about when they say they used 'flame' or 'flamey' maple. Intellectually, since I'm up on the current usage, I know they mean 'curly', but I still miss the precision of saying 'tight, highly flamed curly maple'. Eventually, somebody will have to find a way to get that lost precision back, and then we'll have a descriptor like "highly pronounced bird's eye maple with no flame".


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I just call it that pointy thing on the back of the neck.

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Mandolin tuners are indeed available with reversed gears, but Schaller doesn't offer minis in reversed, last time I looked....


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i vote for the corset

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Al,

I heard a reasonable explanation once of the difference between curly maple and flamed maple.
This person said that when the curl interlocks like fingers (has "movement"), it's considered flame, otherwise, if it's just all parallel with itself it's simply "curly".


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Well, I have very little experience with the naming of wood, but i always thought that the term volute in relation spawned from a violin "headstock" or peg box. This indeed is the shape of a volute. Where the peg box connects to the neck appears to me to serve the same purpose as, and be a very amplified version of the volute we all know and love.


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Oops a little bit of formatting errors...sorry about that.


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As far as the upside down tuners... nothing more than a simple goof-up.
We're not all as perfect as Grumpy.


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Trust me, I screw up with the best of them. But I fix my screw ups <g>

If you didn't intend fr the tuners to be reversed, turn them back around. You've got a veneer on the back there, so just sand that one off, glue another down, re-finish the neck, and you're good to go.

Micheal Lewis taught me the following on the subject of re-doing something to make it right: "it may be late, but it'll only be late once. If it's wrong, it will be wrong forever"


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Actually Mario it's more of a design screw-up. This was my first octave
mandolin and I intended to use mandolin tuners but the curve of the
chin...er...volute would not allow the tuners to sit flat without bending the
plate. I know, I know, I should've had the tuners on hand before I drilled the
holes. So the Schaller mini's are a fix, but if I turn them around they sit
entirely too high on the peghead and seeings how this is mine and will never
be sold they are where they are, wrong forever. I don't mind but, on future
ones... well you get the pic. You know I was just ribbin' ya about the perfect
right? Hence the wink.


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Sashimi, violin makers call the area in question a "chin".


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