Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:31 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:23 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:36 pm
Posts: 69
First name: Oris
Last Name: Morton
City: Franklinton
State: North Carolina
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Anyone else get really tense when drilling out that huge 1/2” hole in a beautiful finished (acoustic)guitar?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:30 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:15 pm
Posts: 7380
First name: Ed
Last Name: Bond
City: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Nope...:)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:35 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:36 pm
Posts: 69
First name: Oris
Last Name: Morton
City: Franklinton
State: North Carolina
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
meddlingfool wrote:
Nope...:)

My 3rd one.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:17 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 am
Posts: 6256
Location: Virginia
For the jack you mean? Get a step drill bit and the proper reamer and you will never worry again.



These users thanked the author jfmckenna for the post: olmorton71 (Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:58 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:59 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:14 am
Posts: 992
Location: Shefford, Québec
First name: Tim
Last Name: Mullin
City: Shefford
State: QC
Zip/Postal Code: J2M 1R5
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
Done it many times and have the correct tool(s). Most endpin units are actually designed for a 15/32” hole, so that 1/2” is looser than ideal. Stewmac carries the ideal reamer for the job. Expensive. I waited until it was 15% off. Still expensive.

The other issue with installing endpin jacks is that the tail block may be too thick and require a counterbore. Various ways to handle this. You’ll find posts on the forum about modifying a spade bit as a counterbore, but the slickest solution is a rear spot facer. I drill out the original endpin hole to 5/16” to accommodate the pilot shaft (indexed for correct depth) for the 7/8” spot racer and prepare the face. Then the Stewmac reamer to make the 15/32” hole. In a busy shop, these pay for themselves in no time.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk


Last edited by Tim Mullin on Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.


These users thanked the author Tim Mullin for the post (total 2): bcombs510 (Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:55 am) • olmorton71 (Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:45 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:40 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:46 pm
Posts: 2150
First name: Freeman
Last Name: Keller
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
As Tim said, get the reamer and you'll never worry. Expensive, yes, it takes a couple of installations to amortize it but not splitting a D-35 makes it worth while. And like Tim also mentioned, I had one guitar with a very thick end block and made a pull counter sink bit out of a spade bit. Mine is home made, kind of mickey mouse but worked fine.



These users thanked the author Freeman for the post: olmorton71 (Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:45 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:39 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:42 pm
Posts: 698
Location: United States
First name: Tom
Last Name: Rein
City: Saline
State: Michigan
Focus: Build
+1 for step drill. You need the one that is long and has about 1/2" facets. Stop at 7/16" and do.the rest with the StewMac reamer.

_________________
Stay with the happy people.
--Reynolds Large



These users thanked the author TRein for the post: olmorton71 (Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:45 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:15 am 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:14 am
Posts: 992
Location: Shefford, Québec
First name: Tim
Last Name: Mullin
City: Shefford
State: QC
Zip/Postal Code: J2M 1R5
Country: Canada
Focus: Build
Status: Professional
TRein wrote:
+1 for step drill. You need the one that is long and has about 1/2" facets. Stop at 7/16" and do.the rest with the StewMac reamer.

Actually, if you’re using the Stewmac reamer, there’s no need for a step drill bit. The reamer is very sharp and does a quick enlarging an existing endpin hole, or you drill a 5/16” pilot for guitars without an endpin.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk



These users thanked the author Tim Mullin for the post: olmorton71 (Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:10 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:57 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5494
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
15/32" is 11.901 mm.
Metric step drill to 12 mm cost = $15 or less
Stewmac reamer cost = $87
Never seen the need for the reamer myself, considering I had the step drill anyway....

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:31 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa

Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:42 pm
Posts: 698
Location: United States
First name: Tom
Last Name: Rein
City: Saline
State: Michigan
Focus: Build
Tim Mullin wrote:
TRein wrote:
+1 for step drill. You need the one that is long and has about 1/2" facets. Stop at 7/16" and do.the rest with the StewMac reamer.

Actually, if you’re using the Stewmac reamer, there’s no need for a step drill bit. The reamer is very sharp and does a quick enlarging an existing endpin hole, or you drill a 5/16” pilot for guitars without an endpin.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk


Sure, your way will work. A step drill from Harbor Freight costs less than $10 and does the lion's share of cutting. Plus, you can start with a 3/16" pilot hole drilled with a twist drill (to minimize tearout on inside block). I figure my StewMac reamer will last much longer by shifting most of the drilling to a disposable cutting tool. Also, many are using Baltic Birch as a tail block and the glue used is not especially kind to cutting tools.

_________________
Stay with the happy people.
--Reynolds Large


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:04 pm 
Online
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:45 pm
Posts: 1336
Location: Calgary, Canada
Status: Amateur
I drill on the drillpress with the LeeValley brad point bits before the back and top are installed. Works well for me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:11 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 10:44 am
Posts: 6256
Location: Virginia
I still use a step bit with the reamer. I drill the end pin screw hole out with a 1/4in bit then step up to 7/16th and finish with the reamer.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Installing pickups
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:27 pm 
Offline
Mahogany
Mahogany
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:36 pm
Posts: 69
First name: Oris
Last Name: Morton
City: Franklinton
State: North Carolina
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Amateur
Darrel Friesen wrote:
I drill on the drillpress with the LeeValley brad point bits before the back and top are installed. Works well for me.

I’m gonna pre drill my next tail block. Pre fit the jack.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 13 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: crich, Darrel Friesen and 49 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com