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 Post subject: Binding Help
PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:58 pm 
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Help, with out going into detail I cut my binding channel too low.
I'm using .250 Koa binding. is there any place that will special cut
5/16 wide for me ?


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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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Why not add purfling to the bottom of the binding you have now?

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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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the back side is done, Koa with white trim.
cut the purfling channel ok then the binding
channel for the top but the Router base came loose
while cutting the channel. the binding now lines up with the bottom
of the purfling channel.


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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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So you want bindings that are 5/16” in height?


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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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If you have any koa back/side sets, slice some strips off the sides.


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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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Inlay a dummy strip of binding, that matches your side wood, and re-cut the channels.


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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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Note to OP: My opinion (I've bound only 5 guitars), and based on this comprehensive experience, I suggest finding a pleasing way to stack up 1/16" more of purfling and carry on. I think that this would be less problematic than trying to restore the channel. Make some lemonade. I've also seen binding purfling done with what usually gets put between the binding and the soundboard, is often 1/8" wide, or so, it was unusual and attractive to me,and sure looked 'custom'. Lots of variations and LMI doesn't charge shipping.

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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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1st choice.. What Dennis K said
2nd choice...CurlyKoa.com
3rd choice...Volcano.com

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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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meddlingfool wrote:
So you want bindings that are 5/16” in height?

yes


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What kind of wood did you use on the back/sides?

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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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I have seen many very expensive guitars with different binding scheme on the top than on the back. Pretty much all have fancier purfling on the front. Do not feel self conscious if you add more rows on the top.



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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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Guys, I can't thank you enough for responding. This is my 15th Dreadnought and I've never made this mistake before. it took the wind out of my sail
Joe, I used Cocobolo back and sides with white trim on the bottom of the Koa binding. I thought if I cut new binding at 5/16 with the white trim, scrape
level with the top the untrained eye would never know. Thanks to everyone for the help.


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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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Matt,
That should work. The only other thing I could think of is, if you have the side cutoffs, then you could cut strips and glue them in. Then re-rout. most likely it would not show with rosewood. But... your method is much more straight forward and should look fine.

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Double post for some reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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I would also say that with Cocobolo, binding it with the same wood or offcuts if you have them and then filling any gaps by sanding and thin CA could work great. If it does not look as good as hoped you can always rerout to original depth and go with plan B. No bridges burned.

Let us know what you wind up doing.

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 Post subject: Re: Binding Help
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Talk to Bob at Pegasus Guitars and Ukuleles. He can custom cut binding for you. he's great to work with and you can even ask for specific colors if there possible.

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