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Has anyone gone through the process? I have two guitars destined for Canada made out of Rosewood (non-Brazilian). I have inventory photos of the sets from way before 2017 and also purchase receipts for both sets.

As a manufacturer, what permits/licenses do I need. I can't seem to navigate my way through the information on the FWS CITES pages and figured maybe someone here has already figured out what to do. To the best of my knowledge, you have to get a license first and then get a permit for each specific guitar - not sure where permit form I need tho'.

Sorry man, only done it in the opposite direction...

I sent a guitar from the US to Austria and did the required paperwork. I also hand carried a guitar from the US to New Zealand and when asked about paperwork was told by their Customs people to just bring it in as my personal property and then do whatever I wanted with it.

I could go back and find the Austria forms - basically it involved a list of any CITES material (in my case it was shell and ebony) and my sources. For the shell I had traceablility to the seafood industry.

Had a shipment held up at Canada customs. Make sure you get the import duty (??) code correct. Ireland was easier.....

other than that fill out the content form with the info required... species & Genus, country of origin, amount used for all speicies of flora and fauna. And don't forget the bovine bone!

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Brian

You never know what you are capable of until you actually try.

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I think the term is Harmonized Code. They are a deep dark rabbit hole of vague.

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I'm not a luthier.
I'm just a guy who builds guitars in his basement.
It's better than playing golf.

Like Ed, my experience has generally been the opposite direction. The USFWS pages are a bit confusing, but I think you’ll find the CITES export permit application links and info you need in section 51 of:
https://www.fws.gov/international/pdf/questions-and-answers-appendix-II-timber-listings-December-2016.pdf
If your guitar has shell, you’ll also need an export permit under the Lacey Act - a US requirement, nothing to do with CITES (and Canada could care less).

To clear the border in Canada, your shipment requires a copy of the CITES export permit issued by the US (no import permit required by Canada for appendix II rosewoods), a commercial invoice declaring the value and 6-digit Harmonized Tariff Schedule Code (9202.90) as well as a NAFTA Form 434 Certificate of Origin declaring country of manufacture (US) and appropriate NAFTA trade provision (made entirely in a NAFTA country). If you provide all that, Canadian customs should simply collect the 5% GST (technically unavoidable, but paid by the importer), and there may be some border processing fees collected by the shipper.

I’ve got my border paperwork sorted between Canada and the US, but haven’t found a way to deal with insurance and damage — my last guitar to the US suffered $600 in damage (less than my commercial deductible), but there were no holes in the box or case, so the post office insurance claim was declined.



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How soon do they need to go? There was news from yesterday that all CITES appendix 2 restrictions for rosewood on musical instruments may be suspended. It won't take effect immediately but if so it looks like it will remove the need to get permits for all non-BRW rosewoods and other appendix 2 restricted materials. Good news if true!

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Burton
http://www.legeytinstruments.com
Brookline, MA.

Hey Burton, do you have a link for that?

Don't be confused by the shiney new username, it's just good'ol Pat Macaluso!

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Pat

Here it is:

http://mmrmagazine.com/mmr-global/mmr-g ... s-meeting/

I only saw someone post the link, all my knowledge is from this short piece.

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Burton
http://www.legeytinstruments.com
Brookline, MA.

Cool, thanks Burton!

New username, same ole Pat Macaluso!

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Pat

Thanks for the info fellas - very much appreciated. It turns out the guy will probably just be able to take the guitar across the border - and apparently, this is quite legal as long as there is nothing on the instrument from CITES I material. Also, the news Burton shared will be awesome if it comes to pass.

Thanks again !!!

Yes, if it is his personal property and under 10kg of rosewood it's fine as far as CITES goes...taxes and brokerage are a different story...