Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sun Nov 24, 2024 6:07 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Ovation finish cracks
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:41 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5493
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Got a bass Ovation in with some cracks in the finish on the top (epoxy finish I believe?) as well as other issues. This is a fix up to sell, not a restoration, but I like to do things right.
I was thinking thin CA to fill the cracks, dressing and buffing after, but am concerned the cracks may go down to the spruce and would discolour it.
I could put a thin shellac down inside first to try to seal off the spruce to prevent this.
Any suggestions welcome!

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:03 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5821
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
Take it from me - don't bother!
You'll just make it look worse.
My brother had one from the late 70's, and asked me to fix them.
I ended up doing a complete refin of the top.

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:37 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:04 am
Posts: 2060
The best solution I've found for these is to saturate the top with a solvent like naphtha or white gas, then apply heat to the top, for which I find a match tends to work well. Do this outdoors with good ventilation, and in just a few minutes the cracks will be entirely gone.

Seriously though, I second Chris on this one. Big can of worms, low value instrument, increase in resale value will not match the cost of repair, and there's a lot of liability to loose far more than you could stand to gain if it doesn't go smoothly. In spite of those finishes often being thicker than the top itself, in some eras of production I swear they laid the color right on the top, leaving no room to sand level and buff without going through.

_________________
Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:35 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:06 pm
Posts: 414
First name: Allan
Last Name: Bacon
State: Kansas
Country: USA
Focus: Repair
FWIW, I drop filled an 1111-6 with the CA method and it worked fine. But the divots were obviously not completely through the finish. This is one of the first run of production gits from Ovation, and I'm betting the finish was pretty thick. Man I wish I had that one back. One of the loudest acoustics I've ever heard.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:23 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:44 am
Posts: 5493
First name: colin
Last Name: north
Country: Scotland.
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
David Collins wrote:
The best solution I've found for these is to saturate the top with a solvent like naphtha or white gas, then apply heat to the top, for which I find a match tends to work well. Do this outdoors with good ventilation, and in just a few minutes the cracks will be entirely gone.

Seriously though, I second Chris on this one. Big can of worms, low value instrument, increase in resale value will not match the cost of repair, and there's a lot of liability to loose far more than you could stand to gain if it doesn't go smoothly. In spite of those finishes often being thicker than the top itself, in some eras of production I swear they laid the color right on the top, leaving no room to sand level and buff without going through.

laughing6-hehe
Point taken.

_________________
The name catgut is confusing. There are two explanations for the mix up.

Catgut is an abbreviation of the word cattle gut. Gut strings are made from sheep or goat intestines, in the past even from horse, mule or donkey intestines.

Otherwise it could be from the word kitgut or kitstring. Kit meant fiddle, not kitten.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:31 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:06 pm
Posts: 2739
Location: Magnolia DE
First name: Brian
Last Name: Howard
City: Magnolia
State: Delaware
Zip/Postal Code: 19962
Country: United States
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
The shellac would seal the wood but will also likely leave witness lines in the finish after leveling and buffing. I would use some polyester to repair something like that. You could also thin some clear epoxy with lacquer thinner and fill with that. The trouble is always in the level sanding. It is difficult to sand materials of different hardness perfectly level and if they are not perfectly level they will look like crap when buffed.

_________________
Brian

You never know what you are capable of until you actually try.

https://www.howardguitarsdelaware.com/



These users thanked the author B. Howard for the post: Colin North (Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:01 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:56 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:06 pm
Posts: 414
First name: Allan
Last Name: Bacon
State: Kansas
Country: USA
Focus: Repair
B. Howard wrote:
You could also thin some clear epoxy with lacquer thinner and fill with that.


That's one to file away. I wasn't aware you could thin epoxy. Good to know!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:45 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member

Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:17 pm
Posts: 128
First name: Dave
Last Name: Baley
City: Goleta
State: California
Zip/Postal Code: 93117
Country: USA
Focus: Repair
There is, or was, a guy named Tony Calman that posted all the time on the Ovation fan club (Ovationfanclub dot Com) about filling these cracks since they are very common. He swears it works (Thin CA, etc). You can search and read some of his threads.
I tried it once on a friends Ovation and made things much worse. I think it is much harder if the finish is colored instead of clear and if there is dirt etc in the crack.
Anyway, if you want to try this, read Tony's instructions. They are the clearest around and he certainly did a lot of them.

Dave


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 8 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 34 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com