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Yes, that would be me. Dr. Matthew Wright, a Senior Lecturer in Acoustics at the University of South Hampton, mentions C37 in a peer-reviewed journal on acoustics and makes the association with "snake oil". I posted the reference and even gave a URL where the pdf could be downloaded at no charge. I encouraged you to provide citations to other peer-reviewed journals writing about C37. You haven't done that. You've mentioned "prestigious German and Austrian magazines", but up to now I don't recall seeing a single citation or link to any of them.

ok, i'm going to say it: you are mentally ill, and, you are acting like a buffoon. here is a link to one of your many masterpieces you have so graciously published online- in this particular post, you claim to be a "lead guitarist"; your youtube account has a rich library of many more similar gems:

http://www.bandmix.ca/steven-stanley-bayes/

c'mon dude. with "chops" like this, we are supposed to take your recommendations of high-end instrument laquers seriously....? really? i could play guitar better the first 15 minutes after i picked one up, when i was about 9-10 years old. please quit while you are way, way behind.

Then you'd have enough to maybe finish two thimbles...but they WOULD ring like cute little bells...so they'd easily be worth 1500 Euros each.

What are you waiting for?

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StuMusic

Tru-oil.

About $8.00 for 3oz and at the least- people may not think you're a mental case StevenStanleyBayes.

Let me show you how to generate interest in this product without looking like a schill for the product:

Hey guys, I am new to the forum. This is my first post. I am a luthier in (insert country here) and I have been building guitars for (insert number of months here). I am posting because I came across this product that I had never heard of before. It is called C37 and I was wondering if anyone here has ever heard of it. The maker claims a lot of pretty startling things about it. I have reached a point in my building where I am considering using this product to further enhance my guitars and I wanted to get other builder's opinions on it.
Here is a link to the product:
http://www.PhoneyBaloneyLacquer.com
And here is a couple of links to some research on the stuff:
http://www.Made-Up-Research.com
http://www.If-You-Pay-Us-We-Will-Say-Anything-You-Want-Labs
http://www.Really-Super-Official-Looking-but-made-up-Research-Papers.com

The info seems pretty compelling and I know people credit the varnish for the sound of Stradivarious' violins. I was wondering if the right finish migh also have a positive affect on the sound of my guitars.
Thanks in advance for your time.

Snakey McSnakeOil

Now, I must warn you that even this approach will probably get you some flames from certain members who have very sensitive BS meters. But you might also get some people having a serious discussion of the merits of the proper finish. Some might have even said they might try this finish if it were not so expensive. And maybe, one guy would have actually tried it. Instead, you show up, you are belligerent, your posts are insulting, and overtly aggressive, you speak in double talk. Your posts are incoherent at best. At worst, they are simply an attempt to piss of an entire community of very cool people who do nothing but help each other to build better instruments. I know, I know. You are trying to help us with our awful instruments too. Thanks, but no thanks. I appreciate the entertainment you have provided though, so at least your posts were not a complete waste of my time.

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If they send me enough to use on a guitar I will do a blind sound test to help them prove their claims. I will use regular nitro on one guitar, and this magical c37 on another, and will use on 2 exact same spec'd guitars and will record with a high dollar mic to let the world see the magical benefits of c37.

But if they think im paying for that crap, no way.

Apparently, our time is worth exactly $0 and we don't have any bills to pay. So, after we spend a minimum or 40-50 hours on each instrument, we sell them for closer to $2000 (total, that means that parts come out of that), and that puts shop time at $32-$40 per hour, minus disposable shop stuff, ie saw blades, sandpaper, router bits, tape, etc... we make about $25 per hour doing this, if we're lucky.

You're right. I should spend the extra money I get from the next 3 guitars I sell on some crazy good lacquer. That's the most economically responsible thing for everyone here to do.

I think I'll pass, thanks for the entertainment, though.

This guy plays and sounds EXACTLY like I thought he would, right down to the horrible playing and the deep, thick, out-of-tune German accent! LOL! (nothing against Germans or their accents, it just almost sound like a parody in this case.)

THIS guy's lecturing US on tone?

No wonder he's dumb enough to believe Diesel about his Cesium-137 product!

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...sounds more baltic/russian to me.

Whatever it is the vocal utterances are pretty horrible!
So's the guitar string plucking and background noise-making.

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I have not tried this product myself, but I did hear about a prominent unknown dulcimer maker (a cousin of my 7th grade girl friend [she lived in Canada so you don't know her]). He is very highly regarded as a maker but doesn't have many friends because everyone is jealous of how popular he is. Apparently he was able to double the sonorous output of his instruments by nearly 50% resulting in a three fold benefit by switching to this product. His uncle was on staff at the engineering facility campus of science and technology and they did Definitive UltraMetric Barometry output assessments on the same instruments unfinished, finished with Himalayan lacquer and this product. The results were scientific to say the least. They used a Bernstein Ultrasonic Luminescent Laproscope to perform the Sonic Harmonization Intensity Test. When they checked the acronyms, even they were surprised by the results. Apparently the people in the neighboring lab space called and asked who was playing the beautiful music (during the c37 test). What was really amazing was that dulcimers, not known for their volume, could only be heard through the walls after being treated with the c37.

I had no idea this was available to the buying public. I was under the impression that it was kept as a tightly guarded Austrian/German secret. The only way this guy was able to get some was through his wife's secret InterPol connections with the East German violin syndicate. he was worried that he would run out. It does sound expensive and I don't think I am good enough as a maker to realize its potential or justify its expense, but this guy can certainly afford to buy it now that he has had a 3 figure increase in the selling price of his instruments.

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

last night i was bored and actually went to the "c37" site, and found some good comedy there, even better than i had expected. there, they recommend painting the magic laquer on CDs, CD players, speaker cones, capacitors, resistors, microphone chassis.....

http://www.ennemoser.com/eundf.html

Okay guys.

I have to admit, I broke down and bought a pint.

I'll tell you what.

I'm AMAZED at the results! After all the hype and explanations, I was expecting it to be a joke, but this stuff's the REAL DEAL.

I painted some on my A-hole, and let me tell you. The sound of my flatulence has NEVER BEEN BETTER! I've noticed a three-fold increase in volume and intensity, and frequency response has changed dramatically! The lows are stronger and more rumbly, the highs are clearer without brittleness, and the midrange "honk" has gotten more trumpet-like! And, according to my wife, even the smell is better! (But I wouldn't know, everybody likes the smell of their own stew, eh?).

Guys, if it can do this for my behind, IMAGINE what it'll do for my instrument!

I used up the whole pint 'cuz it was pretty thinned out and it took a lot to get a good build up, but my order is in! I figure ten grand should finish a couple of instruments.

+10 for Diesel's Cesium-137 laquer product!

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Old growth, shmold growth!

I just discovered I'm not the worst player out there. Thanks for raising my self-esteem!

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http://www.bandmix.ca/steven-stanley-bayes/

i've actually listened to it about a dozen times now, in morbid fascination....you must go to the 4:20 mark where he breaks into some Rush. this may just be genius, who am i to say

This had me rolling

I've had a read of some online journals which state that Big John Holmes used to use C37 before some of his more energetic performances!

After using C37 for some 6 months John was interviewed by Dr Ivor Bigun who found that the leading light of the adult movie world was able to extend his performance by at least 10 minutes.

John was also asked by Dr Bigun what effect C37 had on his female co-stars to this question John stated that C37 gave excellent tonal qualities to all body cavities and John was able to yodel with one co-star while performing an earth shattering C37 performance with another co-star!

It was estimated that "Big John" used nearly 3000 gallons of C37 up to his untimely death!

I think I might get a Quart and see how it goes

Dave

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Careful now, there ain't a trace of Rush in there.

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is too. from tom sawyer i think, "what you say about society is....bla bla"....i hate Rush, BTW. 4:20 mark

Thanx! I'm glad at least one person appreciates my humour....

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This really is pretty funny. I've never read such silliness in my life. How in the world is painting your CDs and circuit boards with this stuff (or anything, really) going to help anything? I can't believe that anyone would try to sell this stuff and then turn around and tell you that they don't care how the human ear works. Not with a page like that on their website.

It might seem unlikely that painting it on a CD would make it sound better, last night my gallon of C37 arrived and I poured some on my wife while she slept. This morning, I woke up to find that her incessant cackling suddenly had an angelic quality to it. In fct, she wasn't complaining at all. She was singing as she got ready for work and she didn't complain to me once!!
This got me thinking.

I snuck a little bit into my children's cereal. Suddeny, they were doing chores I never asked of them, and cleaning the house!

Well, if you know me, you know these discoveries about the amazing power of C37 could only lead to one logical conclusion. I went out back to perform one final test. I painted a small coat on my beloved goat. Look at the amazing transformation below:
Before:


And here is Angelina Goatie after treatment with C37:


So beautiful!! Can you see the amazing difference?
I think a better example of the difference is what happened when I spilled a tiny drop on my man parts. Please observe:
Before:


After:


I'm telling you guys, you have to buy this stuff.

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PMoMC

I should warn you all about jumping to conclusions with Tony's results. I see at least two obvious confounders in his last experiment. The results he achieved were likely exaggerated by him having looked at the goat pictures. Further, and should go without saying, I'm sure when he spilled that tiny drop, he took tome time to "rub it in. . ."

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Bryan Bear PMoMC

Take care of your feet, and your feet will take care of you.

I decided to look at the websites of the professional c37 users. ALL of the websites are some elementary basic form are so blatantly obviously fake it's unreal. It's clear this person, whom I suspect is the one trying to get us to buy this c37 crap is just either a very dedicated troll with lots of time on his hands, or just the dumbest con artist that's ever existed.

If you are going to scam people, don't claim you can pour a miracle product on a CD and resistors to enhance sound then try to charge them $8000 a gallon. I hope this thread appears in google when someone actually searches for this CRAP product.

Also, I decided to run a WHOIS on all the website domains of the pro users, turns out they're all mirrors from a main site. In other words, FAKE. Also, if you google the owners of the domains together, turns out they're quite well acquainted as business partners. Steffan Enemoser and Serge Schmidlin seem to be in cahoots on several pages.

Here is the main sites contact info for those who are curious.

Domain name:
audio-consulting.ch

Holder of domain name:
Schmidlin Serge
Ch. des Vignes 14b
CH-1291 Commugny
Switzerland
Contractual Language: French

Registrant-ID:SE311-EPNIC
Registrant-Name:Stefan Ennemoser
Registrant-Organisation:web-crossing gmbh
Registrant-Street:Eduard-Bodem Gasse 8
Registrant-City:Innsbruck
Registrant-State/Province:Tirol
Registrant-Postal-Code:6020
Registrant-Country:AT
Registrant-Phone:+43.512206567
Registrant-FAX:+43.51220656724
Registrant-Email:hostmaster@web-crossing.com