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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:13 pm 
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I thought this was the best of Jimmy's inventions....but somebody stole that too.


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87kevin wrote:
Sorry that this is my first post. Just read this and had to chime in a little.

Here is that 'copyrighted' inlay design that I did years ago and the pics have been on my website for years.


Never seen it, looks good though! Great minds think alike!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:29 pm 
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Filippo Morelli wrote:
Kev, nice first post and good looking bass.

While JE's Design copies yours exactly, his will have copyright protection because each of those beats are interconnected down the middle. I once heard Leo Kottke he say, "there's a fine line between brilliance and insanity."

Filippo

You gotta see it to copy it, right? And Filippo, you used to compliment me on my sense of design and ability to pull it off, your words not mine, ever since Chris and I had our first spat long ago, you've just not been the same. :cry:


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Bah hahaha.
Also, that bass looks CLEAN! More pics?
Chris

What's so funny Chris? If anything you struck me as one who likes to use other people's designs with your Myka clones. Or what were they again, oh yeah, "myka-esque" :lol:


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Check, please.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:33 pm 
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I once had a composition/sound design and perception mentor who told me the secret to innovation is to make incremental changes to what has already been created... People tend to resist radical shifts. Chris has designs that are his own.

Perhaps you would prefer that I post pictures from you photo folder showing that your designs are heavily influenced by PRS? If they were lawsuit obsessed I would thoroughly enjoy passing your designs on to a friend of mine in the PRS R&D shop. Unfortunately, they are not are paranoid as you. Quality builds at reasonable price points with plenty of marketing sells guitars. That's exactly why almost all of my conceptual designs are floating around in the web... The basic circuits are decades old, combining them in the right way and with higher quality is what will make them sell.

I've had the honor of working with true innovators, such as Ned Steinberger, during my stint with Martin R&D (he was there for a special project, and you can look it up.) He's a brilliant guy and is happy to share his ideas without worrying about them being stolen. Why? Being the first and best to market matters more. People pay extra for the original over imitators every time, patent or not because they know what they are getting.

I was interested in your concept, skeptical, but interested. Based on your attitude, who will want to buy from you? Take a break, come back in a few months with evidence of your progress, and if you have something to show off: do it. Otherwise you're just pissing off a community who I have come to know as one of the most knowledgeable and helpful I have ever found.



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:13 pm 
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hugh.evans wrote:
I once had a composition/sound design and perception mentor who told me the secret to innovation is to make incremental changes to what has already been created... People tend to resist radical shifts. Chris has designs that are his own.

Perhaps you would prefer that I post pictures from you photo folder showing that your designs are heavily influenced by PRS? If they were lawsuit obsessed I would thoroughly enjoy passing your designs on to a friend of mine in the PRS R&D shop. Unfortunately, they are not are paranoid as you. Quality builds at reasonable price points with plenty of marketing sells guitars. That's exactly why almost all of my conceptual designs are floating around in the web... The basic circuits are decades old, combining them in the right way and with higher quality is what will make them sell.

I've had the honor of working with true innovators, such as Ned Steinberger, during my stint with Martin R&D (he was there for a special project, and you can look it up.) He's a brilliant guy and is happy to share his ideas without worrying about them being stolen. Why? Being the first and best to market matters more. People pay extra for the original over imitators every time, patent or not because they know what they are getting.

I was interested in your concept, skeptical, but interested. Based on your attitude, who will want to buy from you? Take a break, come back in a few months with evidence of your progress, and if you have something to show off: do it. Otherwise you're just pissing off a community who I have come to know as one of the most knowledgeable and helpful I have ever found.

I guess I'll just have to live with my waiting list and guitars that are currently being built for members of the Rock and Roll HOF.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:40 pm 
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If that's the case then why are you getting so bent out of shape by a bunch of scrubs like us? A band that is currently endorsing Jackson is developing designs with my company because of the extra attention to their needs I can provide, as well as my reputation. They have fans who want to pre-order but it's company philosophy not to accept money for designs that have not been produced in their final form yet.

Can you back up your claim of active builds for RnR Hall of Fame members? I'm certain that people would be interested in what you do if that's the case. Your photobucket account shows very little beyond what you have already posted to this forum. I've spoken with countless builders who claim to be making a guitar for this or that celebrity, and while a few actually pan out the vast majority are just trying to impress people. I see them as the guitar equivalent to all the guys who try to pass themselves off as former SEALs, Marine Snipers, and Medal of Honor recipients. For those who have known actual SEALs, they will tell you what BUDs class they went through and describe nothing about what they did during their career aside from perhaps stating "All I remember was being cold and wet for six years."

If you're backlogged with orders for famous artists and have little to offer aside from insults, why even bother posting here?



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:45 pm 
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Interesting that you put your status as a Professional Builder, yet in April you were a Small time builder, no advertising and no sales. ????

http://thornnewsanddiscussionpage.yuku.com/topic/3689/Re-So-can-anyone-post-their-builds-on-here?page=-1#.Ui0ZKT-SHIk

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Jimmy, you probably should have copyrighted the name JEguitars before your designs as it seems someone called Joel Eggerich already owns that name.

By the way, which R&R Hall-of-famer bought this beauty?

Image removed. Apologies.... It was under your post on another forum.

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Mike Kroening wrote:
Interesting that you put your status as a Professional Builder, yet in April you were a Small time builder, no advertising and no sales. ????

http://thornnewsanddiscussionpage.yuku.com/topic/3689/Re-So-can-anyone-post-their-builds-on-here?page=-1#.Ui0ZKT-SHIk


I am small time, no doubt about it! No advertising, but certainly not doing without sales. You are confusing having nothing with sale, with not making sales, as I have a waiting list as I have already described. And sorry Hugh, I don't think you'll be getting any of my clients names. But to answer your question, I'm not bent out of shape, I've had PM's on this site and another with people encouraging me to keep going because of how bent out of shape all of you are getting.
Remember, this is about me, started by me, and continues due to me, and dies as soon as I decide to stop replying. [:Y:]


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:14 pm 
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Dekka wrote:
Jimmy, you probably should have copyrighted the name JEguitars before your designs as it seems someone called Joel Eggerich already owns that name.

By the way, which R&R Hall-of-famer bought this beauty?

That's not one of my builds......


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hugh.evans wrote:
...the guys who try to pass themselves off as former SEALs


Best book on that is "Stolen Valor" by Burkett.

I found an old essay I wrote on the subject 14 years ago...if you're interested.

http://www.mcspotlight.org/cgi-bin/zv/d ... /4078.html

The web site was a Marxist hangout with the ostensible goal of shutting down McDonalds. Bunch of subversives is all they were.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:17 pm 
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I'm not so sure we're bent out of shape so much as bent over with laughter!
laughing6-hehe [clap] Eat Drink

At least, I am, anyway, more amused than anything.

But I'm happy to build my Martin/Cumpiano-esque unoriginal yet very nice sounding acoustics for my small list of local artists, built to what I consider a high standard of craftsmanship. All I have to compare to is factory guitars, other local builders, and my mentors.

As loud as my mouth is sometimes, I'm actually a pretty reasonable fellow, able to take constructive criticism.

I've been waiting to see how your experiments are coming out ever since I first noticed you a few months ago, posting the same guitar in a different thread/forum.

Hows it actually coming?

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... Oh dear... Or dear Jimmy. You know, I have built 2.5 instruments, just completed a bass for a friend and as a result have potentially 3 more 'orders' - now due to my building rate it will take 2.5 years to complete them. Now, I could suggest that a) my instruments were so stunning and original that even after a single electrc build, the orders from pro musicians came flooding in, and b) my waiting list is 2.5 years.... Or I could simply tell the truth. Which is loyal, good old friens showing a interest in a friends hobby, want to encourage and support so will cover materials and a little bit extra knowing what they will get will be far from perfect, and that it will take 2.5 years to complete not because of a heavy order book, but because I only have time to build about 1.5 instruments a year - with day job and kids and normal life....

The truth... An interesting concept and one that WILL have a far greater impact on any 'brand' than a fretboard inlay, no matter how 'different' or similar it is to what has gone before. Your 'brand' is not just your logo , name or design, it's about the values of your company. Everything it's stands for and as a one man shop, that in effect becomes you.

Given what this thread has suggested about you- and perception is unfortunately so important - may I humbly suggest before you get too committed to your inlay, it might be time for a 're-brand' pfft


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theguitarwhisperer wrote:
I'm not so sure we're bent out of shape so much as bent over with laughter!
laughing6-hehe [clap] Eat Drink

At least, I am, anyway, more amused than anything.

But I'm happy to build my Martin/Cumpiano-esque unoriginal yet very nice sounding acoustics for my small list of local artists, built to what I consider a high standard of craftsmanship. All I have to compare to is factory guitars, other local builders, and my mentors.

As loud as my mouth is sometimes, I'm actually a pretty reasonable fellow, able to take constructive criticism.

I've been waiting to see how your experiments are coming out ever since I first noticed you a few months ago, posting the same guitar in a different thread/forum.

Hows it actually coming?

So far so good on all of them, this guitar is the first one with my neg-x idea, I am curious to see if there are any tonal attributes I can see versus a standard solid-body. I currently build about 3 guitars a month so getting to all of these new things takes more time than I would like.

From what I recall, you are a top notch builder, it would be nice to see more of your work in here.

Oh, just so I don't disappoint. My latest idea is for a way to cycle output between the neck and bridge by hitting a switch on the guitar. Same way a flanger cycles, just slowly blending between the two back and forth. I don't mind sharing this idea because admittedly, wiring and electronics are my Achilles Heel.


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Filippo Morelli wrote:
Frank you're so modest. I'm sure several of your friends are bound to be in the rock n roll hall of fame some time soon. You're just plain sellin' us short!

Filippo

p.s. I once hung out with Paul Reed Smith. True story!



Nah... Sadly or, now all in our 40s and whilst we dabbled with rock n roll 'fame' in the early 90s, and even the odd occasion when a few folk stopped drinking for a few seconds and turned their heads to the stage... It was clear early on that we lacked one of the two essentials to rock n roll glory.. NEither talent or good looks laughing6-hehe

I did actually question , friends sanity when he requested I build him that bass... But in all seriousness, shows what decent friends they are. There is nothing like the pressure from building for someone else who has invested hard cash and a fair amount of it to make you focus and up your game.

I did actually wake up one morning having slept next to Claudia Schiffer... Sadly 'twas on a flight between London and JFK :D


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JEguitars wrote:
theguitarwhisperer wrote:
I'm not so sure we're bent out of shape so much as bent over with laughter!
laughing6-hehe [clap] Eat Drink

At least, I am, anyway, more amused than anything.

But I'm happy to build my Martin/Cumpiano-esque unoriginal yet very nice sounding acoustics for my small list of local artists, built to what I consider a high standard of craftsmanship. All I have to compare to is factory guitars, other local builders, and my mentors.

As loud as my mouth is sometimes, I'm actually a pretty reasonable fellow, able to take constructive criticism.

I've been waiting to see how your experiments are coming out ever since I first noticed you a few months ago, posting the same guitar in a different thread/forum.

Hows it actually coming?

So far so good on all of them, this guitar is the first one with my neg-x idea, I am curious to see if there are any tonal attributes I can see versus a standard solid-body. I currently build about 3 guitars a month so getting to all of these new things takes more time than I would like.

From what I recall, you are a top notch builder, it would be nice to see more of your work in here.

Oh, just so I don't disappoint. My latest idea is for a way to cycle output between the neck and bridge by hitting a switch on the guitar. Same way a flanger cycles, just slowly blending between the two back and forth. I don't mind sharing this idea because admittedly, wiring and electronics are my Achilles Heel.


Hmm. I wonder if you could do it kinda like the Ric-O-Sound box, except in pedal form, using a blend pot instead of a band pass filter? That way you could control the blend rate like a wah pedal?


That sounds like a great idea!

On it......

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JEguitars wrote:
Build just for me. I wont have a quick progress on this, I am building it just when I have spare time.

I also have a custom scale length. I am truly the first in this secret scale length, along with my chambering design. I also hand wind all my own pickups.

I don't do custom orders however, I can inlay nearly whatever you want, and let you pick out the woods, but I like to retain creative control. Seems an odd business model I know, but what I really like to do, is build what I like and sell it. It's not failed me thus far as I have built 20 guitars to date.

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I don't mind sharing this idea because admittedly, wiring and electronics are my Achilles Heel.

JEguitars wrote:
I guess I'll just have to live with my waiting list and guitars that are currently being built for members of the Rock and Roll HOF.


The bold seems to be in conflict with your later posts, electronics are a weakness and having a backlog of orders. Thing like that erode your credibility.

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My pickup switching pedal is almost done.....

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Ah...cool...I thought that might get it to five pages...and it did.

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I don't do custom. I let the person pick out the one of my 3 body designs they want, give me some colors they like, tell me a little about them, and I go from there.
It's been a successful model for me thus far, I don't see any need in changing it, selling to other luthiers isn't exactly my target audience regardless. Nor do I have any need whatsoever to lie to any of you. Let's make it 6 pages!


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