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Does the one from LMI work.? My first four guitars were done with a Spanish heel, so a binding machine was out of the question, now I am building a J-200 with a mortise/tennon and a 0 with a dovetail joint and it seems like a binding machine might be the way to go now. What binding machine do you use?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lan2pKWE1Do
check out this link , there are other vids on binding but you will get to see them working .

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Here's all the binding machine links I've collected!

viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=18515&hilit=+binding+machine+
http://www.lint.org/index2.html
http://www.dewguitars.com/bindingjig/Binding%20Jig.htm
http://www.defaoiteguitars.com/page38.htm
http://uketalk.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/vi ... 003e86c7bf
viewtopic.php?f=10101&t=19236&hilit=fobert
http://www.mimf.com/library/binding_jig5.htm
http://www.mimf.com/library/buerk_binding_jig.htm
http://www.mimf.com/library/williams_router_jig.htm
http://www.mimf.com/library/archtop_bin ... erjigs.htm

I'm partway into building a Williams style one.

Peace,
Sanaka

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...imagine there were no hypothetical situations...

Here's mine, I'm not sure what style to call it, but I know I've gotten ideas from OLFr's.

http://s762.photobucket.com/albums/xx26 ... =slideshow

René

http://www.bluescreekguitars.com/catalo ... ducts_id=9 This comes without the router but the aluminum plate is modified to fit most laminate trimmers out there , also you will get the UHMW donut for your router . Feel free to contact us with any questions.
thanks

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I purchased the Stewmac Truechannel binding machine and have used it on 5 guitars, in fact just finished cutting for the binding on the 5th yesterday. I use the LMI cutter bearing set, but will get some of the between size bearings they offer in the new year.

Fred

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Don't know why the complete link above will not highlight, but if you care to type the whole thing in I believe it will get you there. Sorry.

René

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Binding Machines

...screaming banchies, marketed as "routers" by the Dark Alliance. Really a brain wave altering device used by the Alliance to mess up your brain cells and hence you consciousness.

I hand cut.

Gimmel cutter about $3o...and an afternoon in communion with the wood. ~ priceless, peace full and quiet.

You dudes have watched way too much over powered and then souped up to boot editions of Tim Allans, Fool Time, and have bought the program hook line and sinker. Well me suppose, if you got the $ and can afford to loose some brain cells there are all sorts of mind altering machines out there that will eat that rabbit for you.

But then again ...if it gets your pig clean... what does and old hippie kinda guy like me know about anything, anyways.


blessings
the
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why the condescension?

he already stated that he didnt use a machine on his first four. now hes asking a question about something he doesnt understand.

how about being helpful to the conversation?

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Yo, Blair,

condescension...helpful...who me?

Tell me Blair...that measuring stick you used to form your judgment of me comments with...which end of the stick were you using? The short end or the dirty end? Hmmm....

Dude asked for opinions, I gave mine. Or would you have been happier if I paraphrased my reply with information pertaining to how may years me have been using routers. (Which by the way has be considerably longer than you've been on this planet.) Which is why me now hand cut. But Me guess you young ones need it all spelt out in black and white. Sorry Blair, me shoots from the hip, tell it like it is. Don't like it...Don't read me post.

but Blair
just
remember this post when one day your be in your 60s and you turn on that router and you hear your braincells screaming out for some peace and quiet. But till then I here the Dewalt router is the least obnoxious for sound pollution. So you might wanna stay away form that one.



blessings
the
Padma

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there are plenty of people that use hand methods. most use a combination of both hand and machine. it doesnt matter to me one way or another which you choose. just say you cut by hand and feel free to explain why. no need to tell everyone who doesnt do it your way how much better you are than them. stop poisoning the well.

FWIW, ill post pictures of my binding machine later, although its already been discussed.

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sweat the small stuff.

Yo, Blair,

and who appointed you with the authority to tell me what to say or what not to say? Hmmm.

WHO! Come on Blair. I demand to know, who made you judge over me?

Well?

Just who do you think you are...judging another human being for expressing there opinion?


May I most humbly suggest you go back and read my post. Use a dictionary for the difficult words.
Reread it a few times till you get the gist of me drift and realize that no wear did me say that me better than anyone else. That my friend is your hallucination, pardon me, your interpretation and as I accord you your privilege to hallucinate and think as you wish, I would much appreciate you responding in kind by keeping your comments about telling me what to do to yourself.

You wanna take luthierie...no problem...but other than that unless you got a written dispensation from God himself to criticize others....please be so kind as to back off.

In plain English....Don't try and change the wind in me ass.


as
always,
blessings
the
Padma

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Thanks for all the replies, I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest, just curious to hear what other people are using and why. I find that a machine that works well and does the job, is just as good to me as a sharp chisel or plane used to achieve a quality product. No matter what I use when I work with wood, to build cabinets or a guitar, most of the time I have a smile on my face and am enjoying life.

Tim

For the sake of all that is decent and good in this world...don't do that!!!

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No Tim,

You didn't stir up no hornets nest.

You asked a valid question and got an assortment of answers...all valid.
Now in my "aggressive passive, humble~less, Official opinion," there is only one way to do things and thats my way. Of course if your way gets the pig clean for you then me can handle that...me big boy now.

However there are a few younguns on this here site who every so often read stuff into me posts that just ain't there because my way can sometimes shake to the very core all the time, energy and $ that they have invested into their BS* and so they take a shot at the Padma.

Yet from the get go all me have ever really promoted is..."DUDES, JUST DO IT! As long as it works for you, I'm down on it."

But be careful when inviting me opinion... cuz this old hippie is full of hot air and am most delighted to share it. Besides me took an oath to spread the word of Luthierisum according to the Padma.



Blessings
the
Padma

*BS: belief systems

NOTE: This post is in accord with the Prophet.

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Being new and unknown here, I do not presume to have earned trust or respect from any OLF members. Being of the conviction that I could always be wrong because there's always something I don't know, I do not presume that any attempt on my part to contribute anything is worthwhile. I do assert, however, that my interest in instrument building is keen and sincere, as is my esteem and gratitude for the community here. Therefore I apologize ahead of time to the forum in general: if the following is out of line, if common respect is not well conveyed, for sustaining the heinous derailment of this thread, and for the fact that it all may well end up as just slashing at the hydra, but I feel compelled to address "the Padma".

Yo, Padmaji:

Namaste. I mean it. I honor the true highest Reality which resides within you, as it does within us all.

I do not feel however, that you abide in any special manifestation of that Reality on this relative plane in which we all try to go about our business. I freely admit to being a self-hating, clock using slave, but nonetheless, as you can probably tell, feel that your deportment in fact debases the spirit of cooperation, comraderie, high-grade communication, and nurturing that otherwise mostly dominates here at the OLF.

Earlier in this thread, you wrote, in part:

Prior to which you wrote:

Is this not a judgemental statement?


You also wrote:

Preceeded immediately by:

Is this not a criticism?


You also admonish:

But in the same post issue the commands:
and

The sheer number of hipocrisies per square inch in your posts would make hilarious satire if it wasn't clear that you are dead serious about your self-proclaimed superior status. Your "Wise Man" persona, which I find preposterously cheezy and amateurish, does a poor job veiling the sanctimonious, sneering insults that ooze, onto one unsuspecting forum member or another, from almost every post of yours that I've read.

If you are truly enlightened or transcended then the the limitations and defects of others cause you no disdain, hence I feel you should dial it the hell down and confine the expression of your opinions to luthiery, not people. If in fact you suffer from some degree of limitation like the rest of us, you have nothing to feel superior about, hence I feel you should dial it the hell down and confine the expression of your opinions to luthiery, not people.

If you find such confinements to be unacceptable limitations on your exaltedness then I, Sanaka, personally, respectfully, wish you would remove your bestowal of blessings to locations elsewhere.

Your question is valid. There are a number of videos on You Tube that show various binding machines in process. The LMI one is functional but you need to be able to machine the aluminum plate for your application. We at Blues Creek do that for you . As you are finding out there are many different ways to do this and it is difficult to choose the right one.
In a nut shell the basic designs are to hole the cutter so the rout will be parallel to the sides. In a Spanish foot you can't get all the way into the neck area so you will have some hand work. I had posted some video links to you tube , but you can find them yourself , Robbie O Brien myself and Chris Paulik ( I think he had one ) . That way you can see more than one way of doing things.
I hope this info helps
john

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Tim,

I like the stew mac jig. I also use it on Spanish guitars. It requires a bit of hand trimming in the neck and heel area is all. I find using a laminate trimmer for this task to be very helpful in removing most of what has to be removed but I usually end up doing some hand work as well.

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Yo, Sanaka...

Well at least you got the satire part right. And unfortunately that's about it.

Don't like what you reading...don't read my posts.

Simple eh!!


(Blessings with held at Sanakas request)
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Ya Filippo...

Very good, you got it. Shows you are actually paying attention to me babblings.

Thank you.


blessings
the
Padma

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done and done. i would invite anyone else interested to jump on that bandwagon as well.

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sweat the small stuff.

Padma's verbal acuity gamely matches his narcissism and borderline.

Why thank you James for noticing. So kind of you to comment on the obvious.

Blessings
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The comebacks unfortunately aren't quite as developed as what we've come to expect from the heralded pugists of forum past

Tim, I built a version of Stew Mac's. I built it so I could dismantle it and up it in a drawer. I used parts I got off of eBay. The major difference between theirs and mine is the use of linear bearings. Smooth as silk and no slop.

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