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Okay, then I'm self-taught.

Although I consider that having learned from others while self-teaching, My hours of research and practice don't earn me the right to be an A-hole to noobs with questions.

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From what I saw, the only one bothered by you was Chris V.

A few others jumped in to defend his right to dis you based on His greatness (and the fact that He'd posted some videos), but altogether, I'd say that's only about 3 people.

They don't own the forum, even though they think they do, for some reason. (Maybe 'cuz they video themselves? I dunno. )

Don't let the fact that they're in your face relentlessly dissuade you from asking questions when your research leads you to one. Often, when you Google something, you get ALL the answers, and need to ask a group of people with experience for help sorting it out.

And remember, one A-hole does not a forum make, so you can ignore him if you want, other people WILL respond with useful info.

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You beg to differ because you decided to police the community and then explain why.

I have been on numerous forums too and have seen your "same old song and dance" performed by those that can't be
content with letting the forum moderator(s) or owner handle posts as they see fit.

I do not have a problem with that. You are free to voice your opinion and conduct yourself as you want no matter how
strange it may seem to me.

Maybe we have different ideas of what "policing" is. I believe when one takes the stance of telling another what they should be doing opposed to what they are doing as Chris pointed out; the terms; then yes, he is acting the part.
Sad too is the fact you pointed out...why is that? Why is this the active thread?....I'm done with it and really don't care what this thread is or what anybody thinks about it because simply it's a waste of my time and I'm content with how I see it to be.

You know what this thread has taught me the most. I'm terrible at English lol. Half the words ppl use I have no idea. But I have figured out google ( it has a dictionary ) LOL.

....and belittle....and police.....

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Delayed waiting for parts that didn't arrive and maybe, just maybe I'm not wasting time and if so it won't be much.

You obviously don't think Chris insulted him. I guess the OP thought Chris was being a dick for no good reason.
I don't think that builders sharing information about how they execute tasks is quite the same has telling somebody how to get information rather than asking questions here because it insults the integrity of the "pro" builders and degrades the forum.

I don't have a personal agenda for or against Chris. I just don't agree with his position nor yours. It's quite different to share how one performs a task and/or suggest a method pertaining to building but I don't see that as the only thing that was demonstrated in the posts.

Again, you and others may not see it as I do and that's Ok by me and it's only my view for your consideration.

Best regards to all,
Michael

Well, that's the thing. They DON'T think they're insulting the OP. They're putting him in his rightful place because he hasn't earned the status that they (certain posters on this forum) feel they've earned by making videos and giving directions.

There's nothing really rude or insulting in anything they do or say because, well, if you draw their ire, you DESERVE it.

They're THAT much better at this than the average person is.

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Hmm. I'm not seeing an apology until page two, and then it's in the form of "If that's true I apologize, but for the life of my I do not remember any of those additional details. As per my response......."
And then he goes on as to his reasons justifying his being a $%^&.

The "if then/but" apology is not really an apology, that's a "I'm sorry, but you deserved it.", as he's not really conceding the "if".

Kinda actually makes my point that they think theyu're putting people into their rightful places who deserve it.

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I read the first few posts of this forum a couple of days ago. I just came back and ran through all five screens. Congrats to everyone who genuinely tried to help Tayser. Not all that long ago, this forum was populated by members who uniformly tried to be helpful to one another. Multi-screen threads were most usually devoted to other helpful tips and suggestions--almost always offered with generosity. Seldom did we read so much argument and defensiveness. That stuff is a waste of time and energy. I hope we can get back to helping each other now. Can we do that, please?

And an apology is good enough for the boys I grew-up with.

I have yet to attempt a carve top but know I will so I share the interest of learning more about it.

I believe many of the carve tops have the top plane angled down from the bridge to the neck pocket. ?
All of my builds have been Fender style so angles with neck pockets and carve top planes will be new territory.
Angled heads I've done on Fender style by request.

I like Chris's mention that he draws out how he wants it and each one is different/unique but I also like the idea of having templates and using a router- especially so I would be able to get close to duplicating a known design or even one of my own.

Get a cnc and all this is moot.

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StuMusic

LOL.....a CNC would make all the reasons I build moot.

I just thought of THIS one from another thread. Go get him, Chris! Maybe you can carve him a new one, seems to have a LOT of questions.

Or at least, direct him to some appropriate videos on his various topics.



"Hey there guitar builders.

I'm a guitar player, and not officially a builder..yet. I got a job in a wood shop and tonight that it would be the perfect opportunity to build a guitar that fits my body and hands (I'm 6'4" 240 lbs and have large hands...people always say that my guitars look like ukuleles )

I designed a guitar and was meticulous about the measurements. I made the neck 2" wide, and gave it a 28 inch scale and a large body.

I transferred my measurements and drew the guitar onto a sheet of plywood, then cut it and sanded it out, to see how the guitar would feel and I'm very excited and proud of how it's turning out.

My mother gave me a big mahogany plank, so the body material is covered. I am doing a neck through design and will most likely use maple for the neck.

A couple questions:

Could I use mahogany for the neck too?
How do I choose the angle of my head stock?
How do I MAKE the angle of my head stock?
How do I know where to put my tuning pegs?

Thanks in advance.

Steve Miller"

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Not always the case. I bought a CNC machine from a guy who used it for lutherie for $4500.00, we talked extensively on the phone about the deal, I knew that CNC was a huge learning curve and that I would have to go through many trials and error. I bought it with the express guarantee that he would set me up to the point of where I would be able to use it to produce a generic body and neck with his guidance. Ok, cool. I get it, it's missing a jig that he promised (which I never got) he didn't send me all the files he promised. Did not help me set it up, and merely referred me to a bunch of tutorials then blamed me for giving up when I sold it and told him he didn't hold up his end of the deal. I can now model out my own designs however I dont have a cnc, nor do I really see myself getting another.

Anyway, that was a huge mistake, a $4500 mistake. Thankfully I sold it for what I had into it.

Ya but...it was just a joke. ...a weak attempt at some levity.

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StuMusic

Huh?............I'm trying to read all these responses and stay on track but my A.D.D. keeps kicking in and I start thinking about what the wife is cooking for dinner tonight. I must be hungry.

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Jack Batts Maker and Repairer of Fine Violins

Wow, that Ribeye looks AMAAAYZZING!

I want one now. Where can I buy one?

Anybody have any good recipes?

How can I cook one?

Do I need a grill?

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Have you learned NOTHING??? Google. GOOGLE!!!
It is your friend! Also, this is a forum dedicated to guitars and building them and stuff like that. At least, I thought that's what it was about. In any event, you need a knitting forum to learn about steaks.

This should help too. You want a high flame to sear in the juices.

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PMoMC

This thread just keeps getting weirder.
Now I'm hungry.
I don't have a steak, so I guess I'll have the little wieners in a can tonight.

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wah
Wah-wah-wah-wah
Wah

Yes, curioser and curioser, down the rabbit hole WE GO!!!!

Look away if you can, I bet you can't!

AAHAHAAHAHAAHA!!!!!

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Oh sweet tonato Filip. Mangia bene, vivi felice

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"After forty-nine years of violin building, I have decided that the search for a varnish is similar to the fox hunt. The fun is in the hunt."
Jack Batts Maker and Repairer of Fine Violins

Totally derailed thread. I am not sure the original poster ever got his specific question answered.

He did in the first replies. After that, it gets sketchy.

As I have avoided the cull - All the guys on here would be most welcome to visit my basement shop.... not that its that interesting, so I tend to visit others. To ensure a mutual gains approach I find that 2 out of 3 of the below, usually make me very welcome...

1. Bringing a new and interesting single Malt (current discussion on 15 year cask strength Bowmore) and which Malt is best suited to accompany hand planing particular wood spiecies
2. Bringing some stunning old growth BRW found for free in a dumpster (unsurprisingly this is a very rare occurrence - in fact has yet to happen)
3. Bringing 'interesting' conversation - loads of questions and distracting conversation about tools, wood, techniques, frustrations with the world, theories on tone v glue v time of day/night and fullness of the moon when closing the box etc