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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-YkmK-UEV0


 


I am learning and found this very helpful



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Well, he's getting the job done, although I don't agree with the exact sequence of hammer blows on the fret tops.

If I'm hammering, I work from the outside in, not treble to bass or bass to treble. I do it kind of like tightening nuts on a car wheel...opposites toward the middle. But this clearly works for him, and he's truckin' and making money...


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man i am just getting to this phase. it is a lot harder to properly radius the board and hammer in the little *****'s than i thought it would be.


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Silly question - what's he using at the end there with what looks like a soldering iron? A block of black....(?)


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[QUOTE=Dave Bamber] Silly question - what's he using at the end there with what looks like a soldering iron? A block of black....(?)[/QUOTE]

He's using a shelac stick to fill in the end of the fret slot and hide the fret end.

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[QUOTE=Dave Bamber] Silly question - what's he using at the end there
with what looks like a soldering iron? A block of black....(?)[/QUOTE]

He's burning in stick shellac to fill the ends of the fret slots where he
undercut the tang. This kind of undercutting and filling has crossed my
mind, though I've never tried it. I think it's a cool idea for an unbound board.

And he certainly does hammer. I'm just so used to refrets now, where that
much force in that pattern is just asking for areas to pop loose as you move
on. I suppose with virgin slots, and whatever slot/tang sizes he's using it
must work fine for him though.

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I'm going, okay, he's undercutting the fret.

Then he hammers, fine, I got it. Rick, I replaced a fret the other day and did it your way. Works great. All the others on the neck were L to right, matter of fact, I hammer in the wire, with excess still on. That way I have a handle to hold the wire. Then snip off the fret once hammered in.

Now I see this guy filling fret ends? Huh?

I thought he had a bound fretboard hence the undercutting process?

So, he's undercutting and filling with burn in stick so the fret tang will never protrude from the neck. Hence, the filler.

Nice process.

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Fret end filing isn't affected by whether you undercut or not (I undercut frets on all my boards, bound or not).


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i saw this a while ago and i found it interesting that he can bend a macaferi
style cutaway in literally in 5 minuits on on a bending iorn.

Thats quicker than using a blanket or fox bender and his results are very
accurate.

He has got a good name for himeself here i the uk and alot of experience i
for one allways love to see how the next man gets things done even if its not
how you would do things yourself.

Joel.


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[QUOTE=fmorelli] http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=OR6PdfvNj_U&NR=1

I saw this one about a week ago. Struck me as a really odd way to join a
top from several perspectives. Anyone comment?
[/QUOTE]

Its a coomon way of doiung it over here and i am sure in the states too.

The one problem it does have though is that it can split the top with grain
if you are not carefull.

I prefer the bar clamp of wedge technique myself.

Joel


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[/QUOTE]
I prefer the bar clamp of wedge technique myself.
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i prefer the bar clamp or wedge technique,

Sorry i rushed that post,
Joel.


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Who is this thread about?

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Springing tops and back seams together with tape the way Hesh or I do it is quite a bit faster than Nick Forster's nail techinique, plus you can do a whole lot of tops or backs at once. When getting ready for my Instant Mandolin class, I often have to join 12 to 18 instruments worth of tops and backs in an evening. No problem, and I do it with hot hide glue which sands much more nicely than white or yellow glue through the wide belt sander.


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I used to hammer my frets in.....until I forgot to hold the counter weight under the soundboard. It wasnt a pretty sight...

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Don't force that fret, use a bigger hammer!


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