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| Author: | Pmaj7 [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Doing a refret on a wide six string bass, but realized my cauls only cover about 75% of the Fret on the lower end. I always like to use glue when I do a refret, so do you think I should just do it like normal or do it one side at a time?? Pat |
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| Author: | DanKirkland [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
If you're intent on using a press I'd just slightly overradius the frets and then press them in place. the edges should make contact with the sides first and then the middle will be set when you apply pressure. You could use a hammer too. I've done that with much success. With titebond I just tap them in place and then let the glue get a little dry before I move onto the next one. |
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| Author: | Pmaj7 [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
DanKirkland wrote: If you're intent on using a press I'd just slightly overradius the frets and then press them in place. the edges should make contact with the sides first and then the middle will be set when you apply pressure. On a refret? I've never had a refret that I could use a hammer alone.You could use a hammer too. I've done that with much success. With titebond I just tap them in place and then let the glue get a little dry before I move onto the next one. Pat |
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| Author: | Barry Daniels [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
I made a 6 string bass once and I ended up making an oversize caul. Made it from three pieces of metal sandwiched together because I couldn't figure out how to cut the scoop in the caul. I could try to dig it up and take a photo if you need that. |
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| Author: | Pmaj7 [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Well, surprise number two was that it had an extreme compound radius. 7-16! My client was willing to go half in on a Birkonium fret call set, so that was cool. However they are still standard length. I will probably just try pressing in the center and let the over radius push the ends in. If it's not looking like it's working well I will probably just do one side at a time. Pat |
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| Author: | Tim Mullin [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Pmaj7 wrote: DanKirkland wrote: If you're intent on using a press I'd just slightly overradius the frets and then press them in place. the edges should make contact with the sides first and then the middle will be set when you apply pressure. On a refret? I've never had a refret that I could use a hammer alone.You could use a hammer too. I've done that with much success. With titebond I just tap them in place and then let the glue get a little dry before I move onto the next one. Pat Then you’re using the wrong hammer. I tried a bunch before I found a 24oz dead-blow is ideal. https://www.amazon.com/Nupla-Strike-Hammer-Yellow-Handle/dp/B003CRHK92/ref=sr_1_38?dchild=1&keywords=NUPLA+STP24&qid=1629588155&sr=8-38 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Pmaj7 [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Tim Mullin wrote: Pmaj7 wrote: DanKirkland wrote: If you're intent on using a press I'd just slightly overradius the frets and then press them in place. the edges should make contact with the sides first and then the middle will be set when you apply pressure. On a refret? I've never had a refret that I could use a hammer alone.You could use a hammer too. I've done that with much success. With titebond I just tap them in place and then let the glue get a little dry before I move onto the next one. Pat Then you’re using the wrong hammer. I tried a bunch before I found a 24oz dead-blow is ideal. https://www.amazon.com/Nupla-Strike-Hammer-Yellow-Handle/dp/B003CRHK92/ref=sr_1_38?dchild=1&keywords=NUPLA+STP24&qid=1629588155&sr=8-38 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pat |
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| Author: | Chris Pile [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
As mentioned above, over-arching the fret slightly before hammering in the frets assures a good fit all the way across. I have yet to refret even a 5 string bass, but would like to give it a shot. Of course, now that I think about it, last year I refretted a guitar I built in 1993 that featured a very wide neck - 2 1/8 wide at the nut. That should be about as wide as a 6 string bass and I simply hammered them in after arching. I used brown hide glue (Franklin) to hold them as it was the 2nd refret and the slots were getting wider. |
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| Author: | bobgramann [ Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
I’ve made fret pressing cauls out of maple. They work just fine. When they wear out, you either resurface the inside or just make another. |
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| Author: | Barry Daniels [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Here is the caul I made. It is made to slip into the Stew-Mac adapter. It is held together with rivets. Took about an hour to make it. |
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| Author: | Pmaj7 [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Nice one Barry! I probably would have tried something like that had this not been a compound radius. Is that just one thick piece of metal and two thin pieces? Pat |
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| Author: | Barry Daniels [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Pmaj7 wrote: Is that just one thick piece of metal and two thin pieces? Yes, except I added a thin brass shim to make the thick middle piece a bit wider to fit the Stew-Mac adapter. |
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| Author: | Pmaj7 [ Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pressing Frets on a 6-string bass |
Well, got'er done! The Birkonium caul set is awesome, thanks Andy! I also decided to spring (npi) for the vise grip style Jaws fret press on the Hesh/Collins recommendation (Chi-Com version. I'm sure the SM is nicer, but 4X the price? Out of stock right now anyways...). Very nice solution for a refret. I like the way that it holds the fret in tighter during gluing than I think my arbor press can. You can maintain a very consistent clamping pressure on each fret by dialing the screw. As far as the wide fretboard expanse, that system works totally fine for doing one side at a time. Obviously just don't put too much glue in that could migrate all the way to the other unclamped side. Pat |
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