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| Author: | baev_al [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Gibson neck finish crack |
Hello friends. Help me please with advise. I have Gibson guitar with finish crack on the neck (I attached the photo). How can I locally refinish the neck to remove that crack? Thanks! |
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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
That is a structural crack in the wood from what I can see in the pictures not just finish. Where on the neck is it cracked? Fred |
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| Author: | baev_al [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Fred Tellier wrote: That is a structural crack in the wood from what I can see in the pictures not just finish. Where on the neck is it cracked? Fred The crack is near the neck pocket (if I use correct terminology). Red line marks where the crack is. |
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| Author: | WudWerkr [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Fred Tellier wrote: That is a structural crack in the wood from what I can see in the pictures not just finish. Where on the neck is it cracked? Fred I agree with Fred . I dont believe that is a finish crack . Looks like structural to me. If I were a guessing /betting man , I wud say its a stacked heel and its coming de-laminated at one of the stack joints . If im right that would require removing the Neck taking it apart at that joint and re-gluing the stacked heel and then re-setting the neck |
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| Author: | baev_al [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
WudWerkr wrote: Fred Tellier wrote: That is a structural crack in the wood from what I can see in the pictures not just finish. Where on the neck is it cracked? Fred I agree with Fred . I dont believe that is a finish crack . Looks like structural to me. If I were a guessing /betting man , I wud say its a stacked heel and its coming de-laminated at one of the stack joints . If im right that would require removing the Neck taking it apart at that joint and re-gluing the stacked heel and then re-setting the neck Is it possible for example to remove the finishing just around the crack to see whether there is a structural crack too? |
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| Author: | WudWerkr [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
baev_al wrote: WudWerkr wrote: Fred Tellier wrote: That is a structural crack in the wood from what I can see in the pictures not just finish. Where on the neck is it cracked? Fred I agree with Fred . I dont believe that is a finish crack . Looks like structural to me. If I were a guessing /betting man , I wud say its a stacked heel and its coming de-laminated at one of the stack joints . If im right that would require removing the Neck taking it apart at that joint and re-gluing the stacked heel and then re-setting the neck Is it possible for example to remove the finishing just around the crack to see whether there is a structural crack too? That Crack is way to uniform NOT to be a crack in the heel . Yes you could sand back the finish , but thats what your going to find. You might however pry it open slightly just enough to get a syringe of glue in there and clamp it . If you will check my thread here you will see I have one almost identical that I have just cleaned the pocket out on |
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| Author: | baev_al [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
WudWerkr wrote: That Crack is way to uniform NOT to be a crack in the heel . Yes you could sand back the finish , but thats what your going to find. You might however pry it open slightly just enough to get a syringe of glue in there and clamp it . If you will check my thread here you will see I have one almost identical that I have just cleaned the pocket out on Sorry, I didn't get where is your thread with similar problem? Can you please give a reference? |
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| Author: | WudWerkr [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
baev_al wrote: WudWerkr wrote: That Crack is way to uniform NOT to be a crack in the heel . Yes you could sand back the finish , but thats what your going to find. You might however pry it open slightly just enough to get a syringe of glue in there and clamp it . If you will check my thread here you will see I have one almost identical that I have just cleaned the pocket out on Sorry, I didn't get where is your thread with similar problem? Can you please give a reference? viewtopic.php?f=10137&t=45431 |
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| Author: | Chris Pile [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Been through this a bunch of times in the past... Wait until it really breaks, OK? Otherwise, all you are doing is setting up for a long period of touching up the lacquer finish. Sometimes this is all the worse it will ever get. Just be patient, and wait until service is actually needed. In the meantime, play the thing. |
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| Author: | Fred Tellier [ Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Now that I see the location of the crack, try pushing the neck forward and see how much movement is in the crack. If there is little or no movement I would carefully wick some thin CA into the crack which will help stabilize it and seal the finish. Fred |
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| Author: | baev_al [ Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Chris Pile wrote: Been through this a bunch of times in the past... Wait until it really breaks, OK? Otherwise, all you are doing is setting up for a long period of touching up the lacquer finish. Sometimes this is all the worse it will ever get. Just be patient, and wait until service is actually needed. In the meantime, play the thing. This is exactly what I've said to my friend (this is his guitar). 
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| Author: | baev_al [ Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Fred Tellier wrote: Now that I see the location of the crack, try pushing the neck forward and see how much movement is in the crack. If there is little or no movement I would carefully wick some thin CA into the crack which will help stabilize it and seal the finish. Fred Yes, I tried to push the crack and it is totally steady. Thank you for reminding about CA, used this trick but forgot about it... |
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| Author: | baev_al [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Fred Tellier wrote: Now that I see the location of the crack, try pushing the neck forward and see how much movement is in the crack. If there is little or no movement I would carefully wick some thin CA into the crack which will help stabilize it and seal the finish. Fred I tried CA. After sending and polishing - the crack appears again as a tiny hair. Maybe the crack is too small for CA to hide it? |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
It's structural and should be repaired. The fix is to pry open and insert glue, HHG, Titebond original, and clamp. The finish touch-up is where most of the time will be spent..... |
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| Author: | WudWerkr [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
baev_al wrote: Fred Tellier wrote: Now that I see the location of the crack, try pushing the neck forward and see how much movement is in the crack. If there is little or no movement I would carefully wick some thin CA into the crack which will help stabilize it and seal the finish. Fred I tried CA. After sending and polishing - the crack appears again as a tiny hair. Maybe the crack is too small for CA to hide it? Your not going to hide it . The only thing you need worry about is structural soundness . You want to hide it will require refinish of the entire neck . |
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| Author: | The Claw [ Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Gibson neck finish crack |
I would not advise using CA glue at all. 1: It can damage lacquer and will not fix the problem with the finish. 2: Using it on this type of structural joint is risky as it will be prone to failure and will be more difficult to repair when it does. An earlier poster was right. Wait until it's really broken-broken and is effecting the playability of the instrument. A more effective repair can be made at that time. Repairing the finish now will do nothing as it will just keep cracking. Once the joint is properly repaired, the finish can be repaired by either drop-filling (with nitro), shooting a coat or two, and sanding/buffing; or, a neck refin - this should only be necessary if you want it to look as best as possible or if the joint is stable but didn't go back together clean enough for you. Hope this helps. |
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| Author: | baev_al [ Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gibson neck finish crack |
Thank everyone for the help. I decided to leave it as it is till the situation changes. |
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