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Author: | Chris Pile [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:34 pm ] |
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Jeebus! I hate morons with hot glue. Good luck getting it off the raw wood. |
Author: | David Collins [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:43 pm ] |
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Hate to say it, but it's time to have that one put down. A case of beer, some friends, maybe some lighter fluid, and a match. It's no longer an issue of trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear - that sow has been slaughtered, pickled, eaten, and excreted, and that's what you're left to work with. This might sound sarcastic, but I'm being genuine here. If it were mine, I would let it go up in flames in a magnificent ceremony. These Johnson resonators are often a rattly can of worms hardly worth saving when they are brand new. In this state it's even easier to send it off to the alter. Or some people prefer shooting over burning. That can be fun and therapeutic too... Here's a video from my friend Mark - |
Author: | Dancin Dan [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:25 pm ] |
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Chris Pile wrote: Jeebus! I hate morons with hot glue. Good luck getting it off the raw wood. Yeah, it was kinda awkward when I first saw it. I'm gonna give it the old college try, but this thing is pretty much a practice piece before I attempt a real repair on a guitar that hasn't suffered such atrocities. |
Author: | WudWerkr [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:44 pm ] |
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Take all the hardware out ... build new box and neck reinstall hardware |
Author: | Dancin Dan [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:28 pm ] |
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David Collins wrote: Hate to say it, but it's time to have that one put down. A case of beer, some friends, maybe some lighter fluid, and a match. It's no longer an issue of trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear - that sow has been slaughtered, pickled, eaten, and excreted, and that's what you're left to work with. This might sound sarcastic, but I'm being genuine here. If it were mine, I would let it go up in flames in a magnificent ceremony. These Johnson resonators are often a rattly can of worms hardly worth saving when they are brand new. In this state it's even easier to send it off to the alter. Or some people prefer shooting over burning. That can be fun and therapeutic too... Here's a video from my friend Mark - No worries. I knew I might receive that sort of response. And if I were already a luthier worth my salt, I might be inclined to agree. See, the reason you'd burn it is the same reason I'm so excited. There's SO much wrong with it that I can teach myself a multitude of repair techniques all in one project. I figure surgeons don't make their first incision on a live person, so learning how to work on a live guitar is probably best practiced on a dead one first. Fortunately, this cadaver has graciously agreed to donate its organs to scientific research. I fully expect this guitar to teach me the at least some of the following fundamental luthier lessons before it finds itself on a funeral pyre: How to remove/replace components without leaving any marks How to repair the marks I make while removing components How to remove/replace tuning pegs How to remove/repair a nut How to remove/repair a previous repair in a heel How to remove a bend in the neck How to adjust a truss rod How to reglue a fretboard How to completely remove a finish to bare wood and add a new one How to remove/replace/adjust a spider bridge How to add plugs for new screws in resonator cover plate How to remove/replace a resonator cover plate Oh, and I believe Mark and I would get along just fine. |
Author: | Dancin Dan [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:32 pm ] |
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WudWerkr wrote: Take all the hardware out ... build new box and neck reinstall hardware What an interesting thought. Hadn't even occurred to me that I could shake her down for her jewelry at the funeral. |
Author: | WudWerkr [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:07 pm ] |
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Quote: There's SO much wrong with it that I can teach myself a multitude of repair techniques all in one project. I figure surgeons don't make their first incision on a live person, so learning how to work on a live guitar is probably best practiced on a dead one first. Fortunately, this cadaver has graciously agreed to donate its organs to scientific research. One of the best ways I can suggest to start ! |
Author: | cphanna [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:32 am ] |
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Big Jim has it! You won't know if you can do it until you try. Remove the neck. Use it for a pattern to make a new neck. Save the box. Take your time. You can always burn it later if this doesn't work out. With luck, you'll just burn the neck. |
Author: | WudWerkr [ Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:17 pm ] |
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The Short Version: Ex girlfriend went El Kabong and broke the neck over my back during the breakup. Glad it wasnt YOUR neck ! Hot glue would have been useless |
Author: | Dancin Dan [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:42 am ] |
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In all aspects and applications, hot glue remains useless as boobs on a bull. Looking to get into the prelim work this weekend. I'm thinking once I have anything with a screw in it removed, I'll start figuring out the neck/heel removal. From what I understand, localized heat and a little steam should release the glue holding the neck in place, yes? I'll be working with minimal tools at home, so this could get "creative". |
Author: | WudWerkr [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:36 pm ] |
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Dancin Dan wrote: In all aspects and applications, hot glue remains useless as boobs on a bull. Looking to get into the prelim work this weekend. I'm thinking once I have anything with a screw in it removed, I'll start figuring out the neck/heel removal. From what I understand, localized heat and a little steam should release the glue holding the neck in place, yes? I'll be working with minimal tools at home, so this could get "creative". I bought a Steamer off ebay for like $30.00 and have had good success in neck removal ; http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Hand-Held-1 ... 2c8e733a63 |
Author: | Alex Kleon [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:56 pm ] |
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WudWerkr wrote: Dancin Dan wrote: In all aspects and applications, hot glue remains useless as boobs on a bull. Looking to get into the prelim work this weekend. I'm thinking once I have anything with a screw in it removed, I'll start figuring out the neck/heel removal. From what I understand, localized heat and a little steam should release the glue holding the neck in place, yes? I'll be working with minimal tools at home, so this could get "creative". I bought a Steamer off ebay for like $30.00 and have had good success in neck removal ; http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Hand-Held-1 ... 2c8e733a63 Do you use a bike pump needle with that to get into the joint cavity, Wud? Alex |
Author: | WudWerkr [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:14 pm ] |
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Alex Kleon wrote: WudWerkr wrote: Dancin Dan wrote: In all aspects and applications, hot glue remains useless as boobs on a bull. Looking to get into the prelim work this weekend. I'm thinking once I have anything with a screw in it removed, I'll start figuring out the neck/heel removal. From what I understand, localized heat and a little steam should release the glue holding the neck in place, yes? I'll be working with minimal tools at home, so this could get "creative". I bought a Steamer off ebay for like $30.00 and have had good success in neck removal ; http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Hand-Held-1 ... 2c8e733a63 Do you use a bike pump needle with that to get into the joint cavity, Wud? Alex The nozzle u see on it will come off by the body and u can mount the longer one with the needle adapted to the end or get High Heat hose and clamp it on there and the needle on other end . |
Author: | Dancin Dan [ Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:31 pm ] |
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dang the torpedoes, full speed ahead! Decided to get a jump on the weekend and see how far into this I could get after dinner tonight. Attacked anything and everything that had a screw in it and moved on to the hot glue where the soundboard meets the neck with a razor knife. Needed a little persuasion for it to release, so I used my wife's hairdryer on the low setting. Worked pretty well, but it revealed another glue line beneath the hot glue. Started pulling the cone bridge only to find yet another glued joint that wasn't original. A little heat, a razor knife, a small screwdriver a minor amount of swearing and the cone was removed. All told, I've got about 90 minutes into it so far. |
Author: | Dancin Dan [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:41 pm ] |
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Pulled the tuning pegs (tuning machines?) right after work today. Hand to God, I swear this stuff has to be caulk of some kind. Is there a legit style of glue used in luthiery that behaves just like white silicone caulk? |
Author: | WudWerkr [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:31 pm ] |
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Believe it or not , you will see stranger ! |
Author: | Alex Kleon [ Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:57 pm ] |
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It's the stuff that you can't identify that's scary! Alex |
Author: | Dancin Dan [ Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:00 am ] |
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Haha, good to know. Funny thing is that while they were both held firmly in place by the stuff, they popped right off with a little heat and some gentle pressure from a razor knife. Also appears to have come off without further damage to the finish. |
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