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Author:  Conor_Searl [ Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent toner?
Besides the obvious practice, and a mature spray technique is there anything to consider when spraying a transparent toner? I keep getting darker lines when I overlap my passes.
Author:  Barry Daniels [ Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent to
Go with a less dense toner and use more coats. You can keep the thickness of these "more coats" thinner by using less lacquer and more thinner.
Author:  Conor_Searl [ Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent to
Barry Daniels wrote:
Go with a less dense toner and use more coats. You can keep the thickness of these "more coats" thinner by using less lacquer and more thinner.


That makes sense Barry, thanks.

I read elsewhere on this forum someone suggested spraying as a toner dye and straight thinner onto the seal coat. Using a waterbased lacquer system I feel like this would just run all over the place, am I mistaken?
Author:  CarlD [ Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent to
On a waterbased finish I've mixed the toner in DA and misted many coats for sunburst shading. The sealer and first coats should be flattened before doing it, DAMHIKT. It flashes off pretty fast so the next coats can be done in the same session.
Author:  Conor_Searl [ Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent to
CarlD wrote:
On a waterbased finish I've mixed the toner in DA and misted many coats for sunburst shading. The sealer and first coats should be flattened before doing it, DAMHIKT. It flashes off pretty fast so the next coats can be done in the same session.


Cool. DA isn't so readily available in Canada, so I haven't bothered trying to track some down, but maybe it will be worth finding.

I did mix up my colour in lacquer to use as the toner, and it worked pretty good when I tested on off cuts, but spraying a guitar body is a lot different than 4" x 18" off cut, and that's where I ran into my streaky issues, although I will say that after it flowed out, dried and took a second coat it looked a lot better. Still some subtle heavy and light spots though. I never did use a sealer on this body, just shot the toner straight onto bare wood, so I may just sand this toner/lacquer back flat, consider that my seal coat and then spray a couple more coats of the toner I mixed but considerably thinned.
Author:  B. Howard [ Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent to
Conor_Searl wrote:
Besides the obvious practice, and a mature spray technique is there anything to consider when spraying a transparent toner? I keep getting darker lines when I overlap my passes.


Your overlap is incorrect for your fan pattern or your gun isn't set up correct. Have you read my gun set up guide?
https://howardguitars.blogspot.com/2015/06/spray-gun-setup-technique-by-brian.html

Also look here under streaks https://howardguitars.blogspot.com/2015/05/spray-finish-problem-solving-chart_18.html
Author:  alan stassforth [ Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent to
Informative links, Brian!
Thank you!
Alan
Author:  Conor_Searl [ Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Any tips on getting an even color using a transparent to
B. Howard wrote:
Conor_Searl wrote:
Besides the obvious practice, and a mature spray technique is there anything to consider when spraying a transparent toner? I keep getting darker lines when I overlap my passes.


Your overlap is incorrect for your fan pattern or your gun isn't set up correct. Have you read my gun set up guide?
https://howardguitars.blogspot.com/2015/06/spray-gun-setup-technique-by-brian.html

Also look here under streaks https://howardguitars.blogspot.com/2015/05/spray-finish-problem-solving-chart_18.html


I have, but not in a long time. I'm organized enough now to keep this kind of helpful info where I can find it in the future. Thanks for the reminder Brian.
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