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Stuart Gort
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Hey Philippo,

Let us know how that Katalox polishes. And describe the surface if you would. Looks like it might have large pores. Not that it matters much but I'm curious.

Seems like I read about that wood on a wood supplier website somewhere and it sounded interesting. I use cocobolo but I kind of like that even color and would like a browner choice for certain combinations.

Also saw some "brown ebony" that looked pretty homogenous and rock hard...it was like $10 a board foot and the guy had a ton if it. The color was a yuck lightish brown but I wondered if it could be dyed black enough to create a decent faux ebony.

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Cool build and great documentation Filippo. Thanks for that!
I am really digging your fret board binding. If you had not said anything, I would have thought it was a CNC'd board with faux binding. Beautiful work so far. Can't wait to see how it finishes up!

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I'm with ya on the soundhole binding.
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Well, lopping off a finger tip is one thing, but having your prized carved top crushed in a vacuum bag.. ugh.. no way man! :p

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Awww, c'mon - that would make for a great "News at 11" clip!

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can you explain what you are doing with the rosewood in the vacuum? are you covering the soundholes with a rosewood veneer? thanks.

I have been following this build eagerly as it is pretty similar to the build I am currently doing.

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What are you gluing in that pic with the rosewood piece over your soundholes?

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Filippo Morelli wrote:
The top to the body blank. White glue. Vacuum rocks for itregular surface glue ups. Also water-based glue dries much faster under vacuum.

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ahhh... this is where you lost me. I thought you were gluing the rosewood. I didn't realize what you were actually gluing up in that pic. now it all makes sense. glue the top to the body and reinforce the soundholes with a little rosewood.

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Looking good, Mr. Morelli!!

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Filippo Morelli wrote:
Okay for you photo junkies ...

Headplate thicknesses with Saf-t-Planer and cut on bandsaw to get in the zip code.

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Difficult to see in this photo, but the neck is cut to a rough profile. This guitar gets a backstrap, which requires getting final thickness of the neck behind the first fret dialed in. This is because the backstrap is veneer and won't take much sanding to go through.

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Faux bound fingerboard on this one. This is a jig I built to cut the correct edge angle on a fretboard. The fretboard is a pretty rare Curly Katalox, from Mexico. This photo shows the correct color, a dark purple.

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The faux binding is 0.050" cutoffs from the fretboard blank prior to slotting, which are then glued back on with CA. Makes for a clean edge. Also allows for fretting after finish.

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Finally a bit of West Systems epoxy glues up the fretboard. I use a technique I learned from Todd to locate the fretboard. I am NOT a fan of pins in the fret slot holes. Instead I take some scrap Mahogany blocks and CA them to the neck, butting the blocks to the fretboard. The fretboard can then be removed then wedged back into place. Under glue up it will not move. When finished, simple tap the blocks with a chisel and they pop off. The remaining neck area where the glue up was done gets routed off anyway.

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Hope this is helpful. If anyone has questions or observations, please feel free to chime in.

Filippo



I usually do the pins through the fret slots, but I read this a couple of nights ago and decided to try it today. Great technique. I think I'll glue all my fingerboard on like this from now on.
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Wonderful build!!! I was wondering if you can share some tips on the top veneering. I understand the concept and want to do this on my future builds. My questions are around the middle seam. Did you do anything special to ensrue a tight seam? Besids getting very true edges and tape them up well? Did you have to account for extra slack because the edges are going to be going over the carve? Why the green tape vs the traditional brown veneer tape? I am just trying to head off any issues at the pass so to speak. Any detail on your jointing and glue up would be appreciated.

Thanks for any info.
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Filippo Morelli wrote:
I am generally happy to share any information that I have. . . . . As such I feel improper sharing that knowledge. . . . If there is anything else I can help with or share, please don't hesitate to ask!
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I don't feel comfortable teaching it . . . . I'd contact Myka if I were you. If he's willing to share, but not got the time to teach, let me know and I'm sure we can work something out for the teaching side.
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Has Myka got some sort of patent that prevents users of the forum from giving tips on how to do veneering? Seems like other tips are pretty freely shared around here.

BTW, not trying to pick an arguement (seems like we already have enough of that going on in other threads). Just trying to understand why there's so much reluctance to discuss the few specific questions asked by Matthew.
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FWIW, Cumpiano told me that I'm free to share everything and anything that he's taught me....which isn't much because the man is always busy. LOL. I did ask him, though, and he sat me down and gave me a nice lecture why he is so open. I guess it's just a matter of respect so I can understand the reluctance.

Somehow I think Myka's going to be fine with it, but he's easy enough to get in touch with if there's any doubt.
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No problem. I asked Chris the same question when he posted a build on another forum. He told me the same thing. I did not know he taught it to you. I thought u just figured it out on your own or was a common. Veneering practice that I have not learned yet. I did contact David at Chris's direction but got no reply. I will try again. I am just trying to avoid stupid or exPensive mistakes. Thanks for your sharing of your build. I have learned a lot from it already.

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Very cool treatment on the heel!
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Filippo Morelli wrote:
It's a matter of respect. David Myka developed it. I did not. It is not common knowledge. I defer to David insofar as whether he wishes to share it. You are welcome to contact him.

Everett, if you go back and read my response - it was a) gracious, b) offered to help with anything else I could, c) explained why I felt it improper to share this specific answer and d) told you who you could contact to get more information. Given the threads I have posted on this forum over the years and information I have provided, I'm hardly a reluctant sharer of information. But ... I am a respectful first.

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Understood, Filippo. Like I said, not trying to open any can of worms. I just thought some of his questions looked like "routine" veneering questions and not really related to any one guy's particular techniques. I agree, your responses all generally meet the standards you laid out A-D and you are most certainly helpful sharer. Thanks for doing so.

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Hey Filippo, Awesome thread. I was curious about the Myka Style jig and this thread cleared up most of my questions. However I do have a question, what is the purpose of the aluminum on the two top rails? Wouldn't it make sense to have them on the inside for the router bit bearing to ride against?

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Makes sense! Great Jig and nice looking to boot!
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Love the look of that Guitar [:Y:] You are a great jig builder as well , i am always impressed at the jigs you have ! I am at the point of deciding on binding for the drop top I added . Open to suggestions lol

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what I am kicking around is running a router bit into the side that takes out mostly mahogany and a small piece of the drop top and putting in a narrow " 1/8" black binding strip that just coveres the glue joint . so you have a edge visual of the mahagony 1/8" of black and then the roundover burl .

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Aaaaahhh....the finish. I KNEW that was going to pop that burl.

Now.....let's make one for each other. :)

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regarding magnets, depending on their power you could probably get away with using half as many, most times- just mate each magnet up with a metal slug/screw/piece of rod, etcetera, instead of another magnet. same goes for the "removal tool", you'd just need a metal slug inlaid into the cover...i did a pair of speakers a couple months ago and i used big flathead screws as the "magnet receiving points", and inlaid the magnets themselves into the grill frames(Dynaco a25s, for you vintage audio buffs).
and of course another thing to plan around, of course, is making sure the magnet fields aren't too close to the strings or pickups...with some rare earth magnets that could translate to an inch or more distance
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Spectacular - love the heel too! [clap]

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