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carve
[kahrv] carved, carv·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.to cut (a solid material) so as to form something: to carve a piece of pine.
2.to form from a solid material by cutting: to carve a statue out of stone.
3.to cut into slices or pieces, as a roast of meat.
4.to decorate with designs or figures cut on the surface: The top of the box was beautifully carved with figures of lions and unicorns.
5.to cut (a design, figures, etc.) on a surface: Figures of lions and unicorns were carved on the top of the box.
6.to make or create for oneself (often followed by out ): He carved out a career in business.

Hmm. You may be onto something.

Furthermore, I submit, that since a knife or gouge is NOT a hand, then using those is also NOT hand-carving either.

I'm going to grow my nails out and sharpen them, and maybe then I can TRULY Hand Carve a Les Paul bell arch into the top of one of my guitars!



(this post is meant to be light hearted, just wanted to clarify)

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Old growth, shmold growth!

I guess making some instructional videos gives you the right to be testy and impatient?

Okay.

Unfortunately, I've been too busy working in the repair shop 12 hours a day six days a week for the past 13 years to make videos.

Prior to that I spent 8 hours a day working and 6 hours (or more) researching and honing my build and repair skills for roughly 5 years, and I didn't feel that my trial and error learning projects were teaching material.

Now if I'd had some instruction from someone else knowledgeable first, then maybe I COULD have right away started making instructional videos presenting what I had just learned.

But unfortunately, I just haven't earned the right to be an impatient A-hole, I guess.

Oh well!

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That seems to be the crux of the hand tool/power tool issue. If people have a "no power tool in my hand" philosophy, that's all well and good; but if you have any desire for efficiency, there are some stages at which a power tool will result in just as good a job and will be much quicker. Seems like a smart way to build as well as a faster way. (Not that I have any credentials )

No one is self taught bro.

I learned how to build electrics from trial and error, but I read books, talked to woodworkers and luthiers, and spent hours upon hours of R&D in my little shop after work to get it down.

No internet. Made it harder.

BUT I do NOT say I am self taught!

I decided to get some instruction for acoustics so I sought out an authority who had made hundreds of instruments for instruction.

Went home, spent hours of R&D for years afterwards, made some changes and in some cases improvements to what I learned.

So, you're not the only one on this forum who has thrown himself into what he does completely and entirely with his whole being for the purpose of taking the craft to your own personal higher level. We all have to some degree.

But it's amazing to me how it affects some people.

While you believe your experience in life gives you the right, and almost the DUTY to be a jerk to people on forums, and you think they deserve it because they haven't worked as hard as you did (which may or may not be true), artists such as William Cumpiano teach the craft with the gentleness and unpretentious-ness of someone with nothing to prove and are a joy to learn from.

Likewise I'm sure Trevor Gore and Ervin Somogyi.

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Actually I'm not pissed or have my feelings hurt. I just think that it's amusing that the more we argue, the more you defend the fact that you believe that your hard work gives you the right to diss noobs and you feel completely justified being a jerk to them because you think they deserve it for asking questions and you have your mentors jumping in and defending the same.

Your videos are very nice and informative, BTY, I've enjoyed watching them.

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As a relative noob... fortunate enough to have made friends with two highly experienced pros, only too willing to help and support... would just like to express a simple point.

This forum IS a resource, a place of research as valid as any other. The degree to which you discover what you are looking for will depend on a) is it a common enough question to have been dealt with previously and there be a fair amount of archived material b) whether you feel comfortable determining which of the 250 different techniques on offer is the right one for you and c) whether someone is on hand and happy to point you in the right direction.... if you don't feel inclined to keep pointing folk in that right direction or feel your time is too precious to spend pointing folk in the right direction, then don't simple! ignore the post and leave the question to someone who does not mind rather than getting annoyed with it surely - after all if someone can spend so much time criticising noobs for their lack of research, then they cant be that busy surely?

I don't mean to be a dick about it either, but surely the simplest solution is to ignore those posts that you feel you don't have time to answer.

Dude just tone down the temper.

If somebody asks a stupid question that will frustrate you to answer, just leave it alone. "Does wood affect tone in electric guitars" -Don't bother with it, you know what happens.

Having said that, I am continuously impressed with how little trolling there is on this forum and how helpful most people are, even if they are answering questions that the OP could have googled easily.

I respect everybody here, but please keep with the forum rules: Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!

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Here you go Flipo



As such me ain't gotts nuffen more to say...about this thread.


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Just to let you guys know sometimes ever case is different. I know I ask some stupid questions on here sometimes . I will tell you why. First of all I am a newbie. 2nd I don't have the luxury to be near my wood shop everyday. Like right now I'm working at a camp job and haven't been home in 2 months. But I can tell you one thing research is something I don't stop doing. I have and read Hiscock book a couple times and uses it as a reference many times. I have watched hours and hours of you tube vids. I own all of dan erlewine how to DVDs. I have watched all of them that deal with solid bodies at least twice. Haven't made it to the acoustic DVDs yet. Plus I have a couple other DVDs That I don't remember who made them. Lack of research is not the problem. Just the opposite. When I get researching something that's on my mind at camp I have no way of finding out what is actually the best way. So I have about 5 or 6 different ways of doing something. It starts to bug me which will be the best way to go about things. I will come to this site and ask. I know when I write the post it's going to sound dumb and many will brush it off and not reply. But I don't care. I just would like a answer so whatever way seems to be the most popular is the one I will spend all my further time researching and know in my mind exactly what to do when I reach my wood shop. Is this spoon feeding? perhaps. It's just with such a limited time in my shop I want to have a game plan when I get to it.
Also I appreciate all the help this forum has given me over the last year or two everyone has been great. Obviously this thread hit some nerves but that happens every once and a while.

It was just bothering me that ppl think I don't research when in reality it is a big part of all my free time.

Okay, then I'm self-taught.

Although I consider that having learned from others while self-teaching, My hours of research and practice don't earn me the right to be an A-hole to noobs with questions.

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Old growth, shmold growth!

From what I saw, the only one bothered by you was Chris V.

A few others jumped in to defend his right to dis you based on His greatness (and the fact that He'd posted some videos), but altogether, I'd say that's only about 3 people.

They don't own the forum, even though they think they do, for some reason. (Maybe 'cuz they video themselves? I dunno. )

Don't let the fact that they're in your face relentlessly dissuade you from asking questions when your research leads you to one. Often, when you Google something, you get ALL the answers, and need to ask a group of people with experience for help sorting it out.

And remember, one A-hole does not a forum make, so you can ignore him if you want, other people WILL respond with useful info.

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You beg to differ because you decided to police the community and then explain why.

I have been on numerous forums too and have seen your "same old song and dance" performed by those that can't be
content with letting the forum moderator(s) or owner handle posts as they see fit.

I do not have a problem with that. You are free to voice your opinion and conduct yourself as you want no matter how
strange it may seem to me.

Maybe we have different ideas of what "policing" is. I believe when one takes the stance of telling another what they should be doing opposed to what they are doing as Chris pointed out; the terms; then yes, he is acting the part.
Sad too is the fact you pointed out...why is that? Why is this the active thread?....I'm done with it and really don't care what this thread is or what anybody thinks about it because simply it's a waste of my time and I'm content with how I see it to be.

You know what this thread has taught me the most. I'm terrible at English lol. Half the words ppl use I have no idea. But I have figured out google ( it has a dictionary ) LOL.

....and belittle....and police.....

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Delayed waiting for parts that didn't arrive and maybe, just maybe I'm not wasting time and if so it won't be much.

You obviously don't think Chris insulted him. I guess the OP thought Chris was being a dick for no good reason.
I don't think that builders sharing information about how they execute tasks is quite the same has telling somebody how to get information rather than asking questions here because it insults the integrity of the "pro" builders and degrades the forum.

I don't have a personal agenda for or against Chris. I just don't agree with his position nor yours. It's quite different to share how one performs a task and/or suggest a method pertaining to building but I don't see that as the only thing that was demonstrated in the posts.

Again, you and others may not see it as I do and that's Ok by me and it's only my view for your consideration.

Best regards to all,
Michael

Well, that's the thing. They DON'T think they're insulting the OP. They're putting him in his rightful place because he hasn't earned the status that they (certain posters on this forum) feel they've earned by making videos and giving directions.

There's nothing really rude or insulting in anything they do or say because, well, if you draw their ire, you DESERVE it.

They're THAT much better at this than the average person is.

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Hmm. I'm not seeing an apology until page two, and then it's in the form of "If that's true I apologize, but for the life of my I do not remember any of those additional details. As per my response......."
And then he goes on as to his reasons justifying his being a $%^&.

The "if then/but" apology is not really an apology, that's a "I'm sorry, but you deserved it.", as he's not really conceding the "if".

Kinda actually makes my point that they think theyu're putting people into their rightful places who deserve it.

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I read the first few posts of this forum a couple of days ago. I just came back and ran through all five screens. Congrats to everyone who genuinely tried to help Tayser. Not all that long ago, this forum was populated by members who uniformly tried to be helpful to one another. Multi-screen threads were most usually devoted to other helpful tips and suggestions--almost always offered with generosity. Seldom did we read so much argument and defensiveness. That stuff is a waste of time and energy. I hope we can get back to helping each other now. Can we do that, please?

And an apology is good enough for the boys I grew-up with.

I have yet to attempt a carve top but know I will so I share the interest of learning more about it.

I believe many of the carve tops have the top plane angled down from the bridge to the neck pocket. ?
All of my builds have been Fender style so angles with neck pockets and carve top planes will be new territory.
Angled heads I've done on Fender style by request.

I like Chris's mention that he draws out how he wants it and each one is different/unique but I also like the idea of having templates and using a router- especially so I would be able to get close to duplicating a known design or even one of my own.

Get a cnc and all this is moot.

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LOL.....a CNC would make all the reasons I build moot.

I just thought of THIS one from another thread. Go get him, Chris! Maybe you can carve him a new one, seems to have a LOT of questions.

Or at least, direct him to some appropriate videos on his various topics.



"Hey there guitar builders.

I'm a guitar player, and not officially a builder..yet. I got a job in a wood shop and tonight that it would be the perfect opportunity to build a guitar that fits my body and hands (I'm 6'4" 240 lbs and have large hands...people always say that my guitars look like ukuleles )

I designed a guitar and was meticulous about the measurements. I made the neck 2" wide, and gave it a 28 inch scale and a large body.

I transferred my measurements and drew the guitar onto a sheet of plywood, then cut it and sanded it out, to see how the guitar would feel and I'm very excited and proud of how it's turning out.

My mother gave me a big mahogany plank, so the body material is covered. I am doing a neck through design and will most likely use maple for the neck.

A couple questions:

Could I use mahogany for the neck too?
How do I choose the angle of my head stock?
How do I MAKE the angle of my head stock?
How do I know where to put my tuning pegs?

Thanks in advance.

Steve Miller"

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Not always the case. I bought a CNC machine from a guy who used it for lutherie for $4500.00, we talked extensively on the phone about the deal, I knew that CNC was a huge learning curve and that I would have to go through many trials and error. I bought it with the express guarantee that he would set me up to the point of where I would be able to use it to produce a generic body and neck with his guidance. Ok, cool. I get it, it's missing a jig that he promised (which I never got) he didn't send me all the files he promised. Did not help me set it up, and merely referred me to a bunch of tutorials then blamed me for giving up when I sold it and told him he didn't hold up his end of the deal. I can now model out my own designs however I dont have a cnc, nor do I really see myself getting another.

Anyway, that was a huge mistake, a $4500 mistake. Thankfully I sold it for what I had into it.