Hide Glue
Seriously: I haven't tried LMI's glue, but I know a lot of people like it, but then, a lot of people like Titebond, and thousands (if not more) successful instruments have been made using little else.
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| Author: | bob J [ Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:07 pm ] |
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What is the difference between LMI luthiers glue and Titebond. Which is superior? |
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| Author: | Mattia Valente [ Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:49 pm ] |
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Hide Glue
Seriously: I haven't tried LMI's glue, but I know a lot of people like it, but then, a lot of people like Titebond, and thousands (if not more) successful instruments have been made using little else. |
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| Author: | Colby Horton [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:18 am ] |
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The LMI glue is white, so it will soften with heat better than Titebond. I use them both, but I use the LMI more. |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:26 am ] |
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LMI WHITE is much harder [when dried] than TB. It's only one durometer measurement unit softer than LMI's hide glue. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:30 am ] |
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They are both PVA, polyvinyl acetate. Some claim that LMI White is superior, and I can't refute that since I've never used anything but original Titebond, 3.99 for 16 ounces at Lowe's, fresh and strong. Of course, I use hide for a few special joints, but not always. Some folks feel fingerboard to neck should be hide or epoxy to eliminate glue creep. I like Hide under the bridge and for cleanup there. Also, since I'm a dovetailer for a while longer, I do the dovetail with hide glue but titebond the fingerboard extension. Robert, I guess it just depends on who you talk to as to which is best, and where it is best. |
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| Author: | jfrench [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:19 am ] |
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I stopped using the LMI white glue after having it fail on an otherwise perfect joint. There was nothing to make one think the glue wasn't fresh. I've also read over on the mimf that others have had this happen as well, so I am quite weary of it. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:25 am ] |
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That is one reason to use stuff from Lowe's. I wonder if Titebond has a date on it. It would sure be a bummer to build a batch of guitars and have the glue fail on all of them..... ouch. |
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| Author: | jfrench [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:29 am ] |
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Bruce - exactly. Luckily for me I was using it mainly for things like gluing the purflings to the bindings, etc for which it works fine. Most things that need any strength or affect the sound I use fish glue for. Best wishes, Joshua |
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| Author: | John Mayes [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:01 am ] |
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I've had some LMI glue fail one time. I was gluing a back on the rim and when I went to rout for binding it popped right off. I thought it must have been me so I re-glued the whole thing (I could pop the whole back off the linings with just my fingers and VERY minimal pressure. The next day I checked again and it happened again. So I thought maybe that bottle was bad (only had it from LMI for a couple months tops) so I tossed it grabbed a fresh bottle and re-glued it. The next day it did it AGAIN three times in a row. I glued it on with titebond and the next day it was rock hard. I've VERY wary of LMI glue now and I won't use it. |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:38 am ] |
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John I bet you had a few choice words for that glue.... yikes! Once bit, twice shy. (or should I say thrice?) |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:47 am ] |
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I have never used LMI's White glue but this is one of a couple stories I heard about failures with it. I use Titebond for almost every thing just because Hide glue makes me ill at my stomach to smell while heating. I know get over it! But I have never had a failure with Titebond.
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| Author: | Mattia Valente [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:07 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dickey] I wonder if Titebond has a date on it.[/QUOTE] It does. Fabrication code is very simple, actually: look on the bottle, there's a little number stamp. You only care about the first two figures on there, a number and a letter: first figure is a number, indicating the year: 4 would be 2004, 5 would be 2005. Then there's a letter: A = January, B = February, etc. etc., although they skip I, probably beacuse it can look too much like a 1, so J = September. The rest of the numbers are a mystery best left uninvestigated. I avoid using any glue that's older than 12 months, relegating that stuff to non-critical, non-guitar applications, and if it starts smelling bad, or exceeds 18 months (whatever comes first), it's outta there. |
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| Author: | JeremiahB. [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:16 am ] |
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Yes, I also had a bad experience with the LMI white glue. A back came apart that I joined with the LMI glue. At the time, I thought I just didn't have a good joint, but I used Titebond the second time, and it seems to be rock solid. It may be a very good glue, but I'll probably keep using Titebond until it starts failing, and then I'll probably make the inevitable switch to hide glue. |
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| Author: | bob J [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:28 am ] |
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Thanks for the info. I used LMI for bracing-keep fingers crossed. I will change to titebond. |
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| Author: | Colby Horton [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:20 am ] |
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After reading this I won’t be using LMI glue again. What do you people recommend for a good white glue? |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:31 am ] |
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Elmer's. Just kidding. |
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| Author: | Colby Horton [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:37 am ] |
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Would Elmers be good enough? I think I have heard of people using it before. I just think there is certain places where it is better to use white glue because of how easy it is to melt down and repair. |
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| Author: | crazymanmichael [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:05 am ] |
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i have used both the current lmi white glue and titebond 1 without any failures by either. as to which i prefer, i'm tending more toward the lmi because of its ease of cleanup, and its unobtrusive glue line. reptedly it is more resistent to creep, but as i've not had the problem with either the jury is still out on that issue for me. michael mcclain |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:38 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Dickey] Elmer's. Just kidding.[/QUOTE] Really, I was kidding. white and yellow, same stuff. The real glue guru is Tim McKnight, he's tested and retested the stuff. Tim? |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:39 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Tim McKnight] LMI WHITE is much harder [when dried] than TB. It's only one durometer measurement unit softer than LMI's hide glue.[/QUOTE] Does harder mean stronger? |
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| Author: | Chris -LMI [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:39 am ] |
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Hello! Our FG glue is an aliphatic resin glue -just like tite-bond except that it dries harder and is white in color (which makes it a bit less visible). I don't doubt that a few of you have a had problems, but frankly, I am quite surprised! We sell nearly 100 bottles of the stuff per month and to many, many respected builders (I am not exaggerating!). It is by far one of our most enduringly popular products. If you ever experience problems with the glue, or any other product, I am always glad to hear about it and usually can offer a refund etc. -Chris (Luthiers Mercantile int'l). |
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| Author: | Dickey [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:53 am ] |
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Hi Chris, if it's the same stuff, why does it cost twice as much? Never used it due to satisfaction with Titebond, but I could be enticed.... Thanks for the comments. |
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| Author: | Brock Poling [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:13 am ] |
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Hi Chris... Thanks for jumping in on this... One question for you. Do you date this glue? Is there any way for us to know how old it is before we get it? I go through about 2 bottles every 6 months or so. I keep one in the fridge and the other on the work bench. So I think I am stretching the life of it about as much as I can, but I have no way of telling how long it has set on the shelf. I like the glue a lot because the clean up is more transparent. |
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| Author: | LanceK [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:25 am ] |
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Hey Chris! -- Thanks for stopping by 
PS - that Coco you sent me a year ago is almost ready to make music - I send you some pics soon as its done. Lance |
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| Author: | Chris -LMI [ Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:36 am ] |
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Dickey -well, it's not exactly the same stuff! I just meant to say that they are the same type of glue (aliphatic resin). It is a specialized formula with some important differences from tite-bond (which presumably, is why it sells so well for us). Brock -We do not date the glue, but the stock is rotated and we get new stock in every other month or so. It's a good idea to store it in the refrigerator if you have some extra. Lance -Great! I would love to see some pictures. -Chris, LMI |
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