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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:04 am ] |
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I had never heard of this wood before. "olive Rosewood" as it's known in Cambodia. A client of mine brought a bunch of it to me. He brought it out of Cambodia when he was a refugee from the war. Believe it or not, it was the floor of a pig's sty where he lived.It took awhile to get it all cleaned up and resawn but here it is. Those pigs had no idea what they were pooping on. 
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| Author: | Bruce Dickey [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:12 am ] |
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did you get my email? nice wood, oink oink. |
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| Author: | Steve Walden [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:15 am ] |
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Paul, that is stunning wood. It is almost a shame to have to cut it to the guitar shape. Can you use the off-cuts for the upper bout as a head plate? Can't wait to see the progress pics. |
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| Author: | Hesh [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:13 am ] |
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Pig poop is well known in some cultures to have mystical powers when either smoked or ingested. People who engage in these activities are often heard to say "mon - that is some great poop....... pass the Oreo cookies please."  Beautiful wood Paul and that guitar shape is pretty sexy too!  |
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| Author: | j.Brown [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:18 am ] |
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Holy yikes, that is incredible. I need to stop by and see that one of these days. -j. |
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| Author: | Rick Turner [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:39 pm ] |
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Are you sure it's not Dalbergia Bariensis? That is Cambodian rosewood. I could not find a single reference to Dalbergia Oliva on the Internet... It looks like slab/rift cut Bariensis... |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:41 pm ] |
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Whatever it is, it sure is pretty... It looks a lot like some slab Brazilian I have. Very nice. |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:41 pm ] |
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I was told "Oliva". I too did some searching and found nothing. I'll ask him if he knows of the Bariensis to see if maybe that is it. Thanks! |
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| Author: | Steve Kinnaird [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:43 pm ] |
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holy cow...absolutely, stunningly beautiful. I want some. I have one set on hand of what LMI used to sell, which they called "S.E.Asian rosewood". Colors are identical, though my set is quartered. (I like yours better.....) What do your sets smell like when scratched?
Steve |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:26 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Steve Kinnaird] What do your sets smell like when scratched?
Steve[/QUOTE] Well, I haven't scratched it but I was sanding it for the better part of a day. 
It smells like nothing I've ever worked with. You can definately tell it's a rosewood but "spicier" than the others. I'd put it closest to MadRose in terms of smell. |
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| Author: | TonyKarol [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:07 am ] |
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yeah . it smells 'spicier' .. maybe being immersed in pooh for a few years ahd something to do with that ..  .. what did they feed them sow in cambodia anyhow ???
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| Author: | John K [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:07 am ] |
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Boy that is nice stuff. If you ever decide to sell any, give me a hollar. John |
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| Author: | JimWomack [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:33 am ] |
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Hold on while I pick my jaw up from the floor. Wow! |
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:04 am ] |
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Rick, here's what I found. This comes from a BC company called Dynamic Hardwoods. Cambodian Rosewood: Dalbergia Bariensis Known as Neang Noun (pronounced "nang noon") in Cambodia, dalbergia bariensis is the most prized of the fine rosewoods of Southeast Asia, and one of several species traditionally collectively known as Siam Rosewood. A second species lumped under the generic name of Siam Rosewood is dalbergia cochinchinensis; we carry both, but dalbergia bariensis is our primary wood, intended for musical instruments. (Actually, there are at least two other species that are also known as Siam Rosewood and are occasionally available: d. olivera, and d. cultrata.) |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:17 am ] |
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Ok, ok. I'll buy set #3. How much do you want?! You don't have to twist my arm, I'll just take it. Name your price.
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| Author: | Pwoolson [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:33 am ] |
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Sorry, my friend, ain't for sale. Client is building all three guitars with this. |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:51 am ] |
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Oh well... hey, I tried! But I think you know I wasn't really serious.... That was more to really let you know how special that stuff is. I still have a set of the SE Asian RW from LMI that I wouldn't part with for anything, unless a customer wanted a guitar with it, and then it was be serious upcharge wood. It's fantastic stuff. Almost as good as HRW and BRW and MadRW. Besides, I have more wood than I could ever build with in my lifetime... Pleasant building with it! |
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| Author: | Tim McKnight [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:10 am ] |
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I have several sets from Dynamic Hardwoods of both Bariensis and Cochinchinesis and yours looks more like the latter. The Cochinchinesis color ranges from purple, salmon, orange, brown and olive coloring in the sets. Bariensis tends to be more consistent in color, at least with the sets that I have. |
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| Author: | Larry Davis [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:59 am ] |
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You guys almost got it
Try Dalbergia oliveri!! I'm thinking it might be CITES listed so check it out if it matters
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:18 am ] |
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Doesn't look like any Tulipwood I've ever seen... sure is pretty though whatever it is. Same general part of the globe, so it could be at least related. Hard to say, with all the different rosewoods in that region. Lucky them...at least as far as that is concerned. The U.S. just wasn't blessed with cool woods I guess... |
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| Author: | joel Thompson [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:30 am ] |
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Hey guys, There are lots and lots of dalbergias many of them prevously undescribed. Also it is very common for there to be dead ringers within a species that look very simalar to each other (think about cocobolo where you have dalbergia retusa and and dalbergia granadilo sold as the same wood And yes that is where granadilo got its name even though its a platymiscuim it can look like cocobolo) I have some columbian rosewood a true dalbergia that i know came out of columbia but is a dead ringer for for the cambodian rosewood but i know its not the same. here is a pic 
This stuff has a ringing glassy tone comparable to honduras i love it. paul I dont think your wood is dalbergia oliveri or ching chang as they call it in china as that is a bit of a EIR lookalike much darker. The chances are this is an undescribed dalbergia like my columbian. It looks like it comes in small logs which is probably why it never became a comercial species. I think we will see alot more rosewoods coming on to the market as the supply of the classic choices drys up. Whatever it is its very nice, Good find paul. Joel. |
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| Author: | Larry Davis [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:03 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Don Williams] Doesn't look like any Tulipwood I've ever seen... The U.S. just wasn't blessed with cool woods I guess...[/QUOTE] It's those pesky trade names getting in the way again
Tulipwood of the rosewood variety is Dalbergia frutescens from Brazil. |
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