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Author:  Stefan [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:23 pm ]
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Author:  Rick Turner [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:52 pm ]
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Looks fine to me!

Author:  Rod True [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:00 pm ]
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Crack? What crack?

Author:  Rick Turner [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:24 pm ]
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Smokin' crack?

Oh, Harry Potter's cloak of invisibility...

Author:  Doug O [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:38 pm ]
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Y'all are wise crackin' now.

Author:  old man [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:07 pm ]
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Talk about an invisible repair!!

Ron

Author:  Stefan [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:35 pm ]
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Author:  Doug O [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:39 pm ]
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Larger picture please...old eyes.

Author:  Stefan [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:40 pm ]
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Hi guys,

Sorry, I was having issues with photos and uploading.  Here is the guitar, it is a fairly nice classical that got stepped on.  The top was all stove in and I had to pry it out as it was jammed against the sides.  Its all glued together now and a couple of cleats under the cracks where illustrated.  Spot C is a little hole that needs to be filled somehow.

I want to strip off the finish on the top and respray it because it don't look to good as you can see.  Problem is things didn't line up exactly as they ought to have when I was doing the glue job.  Should I sand tha top flat, even though there are some high spots, as much as (.7 mm in one spot)

Also If I get the finish off could I use stick laquere to fill that little hole (arrow c)?


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Author:  Stefan [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:41 pm ]
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Author:  Stefan [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:45 pm ]
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Here is the other crack in that top.  This is directly behind the bridge.
  Point B is .7 mm higher than point A.  I tried using thin CA glue in this crack as I didn't see how I get thicker titebond in there.  Then I tried to brush on a liittle laquere, wet sand it smooth, as you can see I'm diggin myself one hole after another with this one.

Sorry about the crazy formating with the photos.  I'm about as talented
at uploading to this forum as I am guitar repair! :)

Thanks for any advice.

Stefan

Author:  Rick Turner [ Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:07 pm ]
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That looks like it's got cross grain breakage. No way to make that invisible. Fake in the finish and live with it.   The customer needs to know that he/she is lucky it's not a total loss. It's broken!

That's a typical job where the finish repair amounts to about ten times what the structural repair is. And that's if you're lucky...

I have a Ramirez 1a I got for free ($3,750.00 at that time...) because it was written off as a total loss in a UPS claim.   The top was major league crumpled just North of the tail block. I superglued it back together in about five operations, sanded it flat losing a nice chunk of the Ramirez orange polyurethane look, and then I sent it off to Chris Berkov, now up in Marin. He did a brilliant job of faking in the color...and it's still visible, and I don't care. The guitar is what it is, and it sounds wonderful.

This finish and cosmetic crap can drive you nuts. Do the best structural job you can do as the first priority. Then get it reasonable, and then if need be, send it off to some obsessive-compulsive finish genius who should charge ten times what a basic repair would cost.

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