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Author: | Ken Nagy [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: My Neck Butt Joint |
Thanks Ed. I think I saw this before, and is one reason why I wrote in the posts on "blasphemies" that a bolt on neck sounded viable. Your entire plan is well thought out. |
Author: | bcombs510 [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: My Neck Butt Joint |
Agreed, very well thought out process. Thanks for sharing it! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Author: | John Arnold [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My Neck Butt Joint |
Your design does offer the option of installing tee nuts or similar on the back side of the maple insert before gluing it in. That would eliminate any possible issues that can occur with threaded inserts. I used one 10-32 lag screw on the bolt-on necks I made. I prefer fine threads to prevent loosening. A 1/2" maple dowel was installed vertically in the heel for strength. Martin neck heels are on the small side....approximately 7/8" wide and tall. IMHO, that is purely an aesthetic preference. Check out the wide, flat heels used on Gibson and Guild. |
Author: | Mike_P [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 4:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My Neck Butt Joint |
fine vs. coarse thread arguments are really only valid when the fastener size is the same...a #10 is at 3/16" and a thread pitch of 32 is definitely preferable over one of 24 when considering strength as coarser threads result in a smaller solid material diameter of the fastener. the finest pitch for a #12 or larger is 24 and those fasteners are by definition stronger than a #10 if they are of the same material |
Author: | SteveSmith [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My Neck Butt Joint |
I do my bolt ons with two 10-32's and although 1/4-20's are stronger I don't think that extra strength is necessary for a guitar neck joint. |
Author: | meddlingfool [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My Neck Butt Joint |
I like the idea of drilling into that type of grain rather than end grain, simply because when drilling into end grain the bit can wander off center depending on the grain, leading to some creative time with the rat tail files and the holes in the block. That said, I’ve hundreds of guitars out there with the inserts drilled right into the the mahogany or khaya. The only ones I’ve ever had trouble with were Spanish cedar, solved by drilling a maple dowel into the heel, and with brass inserts with too fine threads. So I use coarse threaded steel ones. I like the idea of using t nuts mounted behind, but I’d be concerned about stripping the T nuts, the only ones I’ve ever seen have been pretty soft metal. I like the bolt on butt joint as you can do a reset in about 15 minutes without having to remove the neck… |
Author: | John Arnold [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: My Neck Butt Joint |
Strength of the bolt or screw is definitely a nonissue. A single 10-24 or 10-32 screw is plenty strong enough, and much less weight than 1/4". Quote: That said, I’ve hundreds of guitars out there with the inserts drilled right into the the mahogany or khaya. The only ones I’ve ever had trouble with were Spanish cedar, solved by drilling a maple dowel into the heel, and with brass inserts with too fine threads. So I use coarse threaded steel ones. I have seen Taylor inserts pull out of the neck. I repaired them by epoxying the inserts back into place. To be fair, those were very shallow inserts. My bolt-on necks always had a tenon, which allows the anchor to be set deeper in the heel. That is not only a more secure anchor, but it makes the heel inherently stronger. My straight tenons were about 5/8" wide, while Collings uses a vee shape. The end view of the Collings tenon mimics the Martin dovetail, but the cheeks are straight, rather than angled. That allows the neck to be inserted with lag screws attached to it. |
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