Official Luthiers Forum!

Owned and operated by Lance Kragenbrink
It is currently Sun Nov 24, 2024 6:42 pm


All times are UTC - 5 hours


Forum rules


Be nice, no cussin and enjoy!




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:38 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 1170
City: Escondido
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92029
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
What are the studs for the bridge on a Casino/330 drilled into? It is my understanding that it is fully hollow, and there is nothing but five plies of veneer under the bridge. Surely that isn’t enough to hold the studs, is it?
Image
Image


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:03 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5821
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
Get a mirror on a stick and look in the F-holes. I'll bet you there is a rectangular block glued in there.

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:13 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 1170
City: Escondido
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92029
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
I don't have a Casino to look at. Does anyone have one handy they could take a pic of? I assume its a block, I wonder if it goes all the way to the back, and whether it extends under the pickups and to the neck. Is it a true "hollow" body, or just some modified "semi"?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:02 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5821
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
330 are not considered to be semi-hollows like a 335 with a full block. Frankly, I haven't looked at one since the early 80's... and I've slept since then.

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:02 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 1170
City: Escondido
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92029
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Chris Pile wrote:
330 are not considered to be semi-hollows like a 335 with a full block. Frankly, I haven't looked at one since the early 80's... and I've slept since then.

You lost me. What does the bridge of a Casino have to do with your sleep?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:16 am 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5821
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
I mean I'm old and forgetful.

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince



These users thanked the author Chris Pile for the post (total 2): rlrhett (Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:06 pm) • Hesh (Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:35 am)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:38 am 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13386
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Can't answer your question Randy and don't have one in at the moment but I wanted to mention there are at least three iterations of these now built on different continents and by different factories so there may be some difference there too.

They are popular again and we are seeing them frequently so I promise to look and report if one comes in in the next couple of weeks. There is Epiphone USA now too I think making them here again for around $3K IIRC and there is Asian production and of course the originals also made here.



These users thanked the author Hesh for the post: rlrhett (Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:06 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:10 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 1170
City: Escondido
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92029
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Thanks, Hesh. They are rightfully popular again. I built one a few years ago with a floating bridge, but it doesn't like it when I bend strings and my neck geometry was off. I built it like a thin-line ES175, and I could tell I was missing something. I was hoping to build another one with a TOM bridge, like the Casino's seem to have now, but I seriously doubt I can just push those studs into a hole in the top and think it's going to hold. Just looking at pictures made me go, huh? What's going on here?



These users thanked the author rlrhett for the post: Hesh (Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:16 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:43 pm 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:02 am
Posts: 3263
Location: The Woodlands, Texas
First name: Barry
Last Name: Daniels
According to wiki, it is hollow:

Epiphone Casino


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:57 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 1170
City: Escondido
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92029
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Exactly. So what are these posts anchored to?

Image
Image


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro



These users thanked the author rlrhett for the post: Hesh (Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:16 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:39 pm 
Offline
Contributing Member
Contributing Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:04 am
Posts: 5821
First name: Chris
Last Name: Pile
City: Wichita
State: Kansas
Country: Good old US of A
Focus: Repair
Status: Professional
The laminated top, I guess.

_________________
"Act your age, not your shoe size" - Prince


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:07 am 
Offline
Brazilian Rosewood
Brazilian Rosewood

Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:02 am
Posts: 3263
Location: The Woodlands, Texas
First name: Barry
Last Name: Daniels
I would expect to see a laminated bridge plate inside.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:20 pm 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13386
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
I agree with the others there is probably a patch in there.

But you know too Randy and everyone here because it has a tail piece it does not have the full force of string tension or bending on the bridge studs and instead the load is transferred to the tail piece and end block.

Traditional arch tops have no studs either and instead a floating bridge because of the tail piece. It may not need much in the way of anchoring which would match up with it being hollow.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:00 pm 
Offline
Koa
Koa
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:17 pm
Posts: 1170
City: Escondido
State: CA
Zip/Postal Code: 92029
Country: USA
Focus: Build
Status: Semi-pro
Oh, I know the bridge isn't holding the tension of the stings. My question is more about longevity. A guitar gets knocked about, and the part that protrudes the most off the top is that bridge. I just can't imagine those 3/16" bolts with a lever arm of 3/4" just sitting in a fitted hole in 3mm thick shop made ply (how do you like my mixed units! ;-) ). One good knock and I would think those holes would split. Maybe because it is three ply cross grained
it just isn't a problem. The woodworker in me says bolts through unsupported thin plies of wood is a tragedy waiting to happen.

And yet, I've never heard anyone say, "Stay away from a Casino... the top is prone to splitting at the bridge posts!!" So I figure they have something figured out. I supposed I could sacrifice one of my laminate thin line guitars and just drill into it, set some studs in with glue, and give it to someone younger than me to gig. If it doesn't split, maybe I'm over thinking it.

Perhaps if you get one in Hesh, you can give me a definitive answer. It's bizarre that with all the attention these are getting, and all the Lennon love out there, I haven't been able to find a clear picture of the interior of one of these.



These users thanked the author rlrhett for the post: Hesh (Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:08 pm)
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:10 pm 
Offline
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:49 am
Posts: 13386
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
First name: Hesh
Last Name: Breakstone
City: Ann Arbor
State: Michigan
Country: United States
Status: Professional
Will do and we are seeing them frequently now, great guitars especially for those of us who like 335's too.

One last thought and you already know this it is a laminate too so I'm betting there is not much in the way of reinforcement there but let's find out for sure when we can.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:53 pm 
Offline
Cocobolo
Cocobolo

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:53 pm
Posts: 480
Location: Canada
John Lee Hooker said his Epiphone Sheridan was an 'out did' ES335. So these Epiphone's are all coming back and price has a lot to do with it. Many of the new breed musicians are using these and even the Epi SG's.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Powdrell1 and 45 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
phpBB customization services by 2by2host.com