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Mike OMelia
 Post subject: Menzerna Solid Bars
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I really like the medium and extra fine. But wow! I can’t find it anymore? Anybody know? I temporarily used stew Mac bars. Red ones messed up my wheels. Thoughts?
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I bought the Menzerna bars I'm using on Amazon.

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I believe you can get Menzerna bars at Jescar. They also carry a new product called GlanzMax. I have not heard good things about the ColorTone bars.

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What Greg said. Go to the Jescar web page and check their finishing page. They have their brands as well.
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I believe you can get Menzerna bars at Jescar. They also carry a new product called GlanzMax. I have not heard good things about the ColorTone bars.


They have paste, no bars (Menzerna). Have you used the GlanzMax? Their recommended schedule (60 and 30) looks like mine. I wo\ill probably buy the 60/30/15 if I get good reviews here

Edit: I found the Menzerna bars on the Jescar site

Edit: What is up with menzerna's naming?
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I just compared the cost of Menzerna from Jescar and from Amazon:

Jescar: $23.30 + 18.54 shipping (to Seattle area) = $41.84

Amazon: $29.95 + free shipping = $29.95

Jescar is in NY so for those who live on or near the east coast the shipping cost would likely be less egregious, but it still might cost less through Amazon.

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Given that the naming for Menzerna is confusing me, which 3 should I order? (medium, fine, extra fine)

I'm pretty sure greaseless, dry only
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Given that the naming for Menzerna is confusing me, which 3 should I order? (medium, fine, extra fine)

I'm pretty sure greaseless, dry only

P204 = Medium Cut
GW16 = Finish
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This^^^

FWIW, I start with 113GZ which they call “heavy cut”. Then afterward the same as Tim.

Here is their product page so you can read details of each.


https://www.menzerna.com/products/solid ... ing-steps/

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Tim and Brad - There are three types of Menzerna in each of the heavy cut, medium cut, finish, and super finish categories. How did you choose among the three types in each category?

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Tim and Brad - There are three types of Menzerna in each of the heavy cut, medium cut, finish, and super finish categories. How did you choose the among the three types in each category?

Recommendation from Joe White.

60/60 Cotton buff for the medium, Domet flannel for the finer compounds. Never use a buff with more than one compound.

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J De Rocher wrote:
Tim and Brad - There are three types of Menzerna in each of the heavy cut, medium cut, finish, and super finish categories. How did you choose the among the three types in each category?

Recommendation from Joe White.


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That works for me. Thanks.

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Same here - only it was a recommendation from Brian Howard while learning to finish with UV materials.

Also same, I use cotton for the 113GZ and P204. Then flannel for the GW16 and Atol6 (I think Atol6 is the same as P175 in the end).

To be honest, I’ve been stopping at the GW16 and then just going to a 3M swirl remover by hand.

Recently I picked up one of the handheld polishers that Barry recommended in another thread. I’m going to try that with the swirl remover next time.

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I got mine from LMI when they labeled them fine and super fine. Olive and ivory. Is your super fine the ivory color? I'm assuming that is the new p175 & gw16 being the fine/olive.

J De Rocher wrote:
Amazon: $29.95 + free shipping = $29.95


How did you search? I couldn't find anything at that price.

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Looks like the prices have changed since I got mine early in the year. Here are two listings for P175, one for $25.60 + $8.50 shipping and another for $46.96 w free shipping (such a deal!).
https://www.amazon.com/menzerna-Premium ... 934&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.com/Menzerna-Premium ... 000&sr=8-2

Looks like the P204 is no longer available for cheap on Amazon.

Looks like Jescar currently has the best price for P204 and GW16.

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bcombs510 wrote:
Same here - only it was a recommendation from Brian Howard while learning to finish with UV materials.

Also same, I use cotton for the 113GZ and P204. Then flannel for the GW16 and Atol6 (I think Atol6 is the same as P175 in the end).

To be honest, I’ve been stopping at the GW16 and then just going to a 3M swirl remover by hand.

Recently I picked up one of the handheld polishers that Barry recommended in another thread. I’m going to try that with the swirl remover next time.

Brad

Brad, I looked up that buffer. I like ur approach. I only have two wheels. So for the swirl removal process, other than the tool, what product u use? Do I need to buy pads as well?
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Hey Mike,

Yeah, if you only have two wheels it could be good to go P204 and GW16 and then swirl remover.

I bought these pads to go with it- Griot's Garage 11274 3" Black Foam Finishing Pads (Set of 3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D8Y71ZM/re ... JFbQ89799S

I use this 3M swirl remover - 3M 05990 Hand Glaze, 1 quart (32 fl oz) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002ZQB1U/re ... JFbS5RSHXH

Note: I have not yet used the handheld polisher other than a test panel, I just got it. I hope to use it on the uke I’m finishing up now.

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One more thing - if you’re going to apply the swirl remover by hand, I use these - 3M Perfect-It Non-Scratch... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0748MKN9R?re ... b_ap_share


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Thanks Brad.

I think this has been a hugely helpful thread. I book marked it!
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Hey Mike,

Yeah, if you only have two wheels it could be good to go P204 and GW16 and then swirl remover.

I bought these pads to go with it- Griot's Garage 11274 3" Black Foam Finishing Pads (Set of 3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D8Y71ZM/re ... JFbQ89799S

I use this 3M swirl remover - 3M 05990 Hand Glaze, 1 quart (32 fl oz) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002ZQB1U/re ... JFbS5RSHXH

Note: I have not yet used the handheld polisher other than a test panel, I just got it. I hope to use it on the uke I’m finishing up now.

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I am looking at the one with the 12mm throw. Is that correct?
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Yep! That is the one that I ordered based on the other thread.


Adam’s Swirl Killer 12mm Dual Action Polisher – Car Buffer DA Polisher Machine for Car | Orbital Polisher Car Scratch Remover | Auto Detailing Tool Kit Prep for Ceramic Coating Car Wax Clay Bar https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B6CR5WQ/re ... UTF8&psc=1

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