As seen here? I imagine they did this to strengthen the hole since mahogany might be a bit too soft or to easily burnished.
Do you think that would be necessary in a beech wood headstock (as in the old Vienna guitar in my other thread)?
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| Author: | jfmckenna [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
As seen here? I imagine they did this to strengthen the hole since mahogany might be a bit too soft or to easily burnished. Do you think that would be necessary in a beech wood headstock (as in the old Vienna guitar in my other thread)?
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| Author: | Clay S. [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
For a guitar I used friction pegs on I was advised to use boxwood and hide the bushings under the face veneer ( I didn't drill all the way through the back of the peghead. I heard ebony (pegs) are abrasive and wear violin peg holes more quickly than box wood pegs so box bushings is what I used. Someone might have bushed the Martin with Rosewood? https://www.swstrings.com/product/lutherie/viola/R333V |
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| Author: | jfmckenna [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
Yeah it does look like rosewood doesn't it. |
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| Author: | wbergman [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
If any of your new pegs intercept old plugs, I think that you cannot rely on the integrity of the old plugs. I think if your new pegs hit those old spots, then you will need a "bushing". Plenty of flamenco guitars have pegs directly into mahogany, which I am guessing is not particularly resilient. |
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| Author: | Michael.N. [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
I'm a big fan of spiral paper bushings. In fact I'd put them in a brand new build. Their advantage is that there's no end grain/side grain, the hole that the peg sits in is homogeneous all the way around. When it finally wears out? well it's easily replaced, in fact you shouldn't need to ream any wood at all. |
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| Author: | FlyingFred [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
I have an old Martin with pegs. The holes have rosewood around them. |
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| Author: | Clay S. [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
Michael.N. wrote: I'm a big fan of spiral paper bushings. In fact I'd put them in a brand new build. Their advantage is that there's no end grain/side grain, the hole that the peg sits in is homogeneous all the way around. When it finally wears out? well it's easily replaced, in fact you shouldn't need to ream any wood at all. I was told to put the bushings in so the end grain was front and back of the peghead. That meant the peg was bearing on long grain all the way around. |
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| Author: | jfmckenna [ Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
wbergman wrote: If any of your new pegs intercept old plugs, I think that you cannot rely on the integrity of the old plugs. I think if your new pegs hit those old spots, then you will need a "bushing". Plenty of flamenco guitars have pegs directly into mahogany, which I am guessing is not particularly resilient. I do plan on making new holes away from the old dowels. The beech wood probably is strong enough. My client is a vintage collector and he like the idea of a 'bushing' but I think I would rather not drill yet another hole in this headstock though done right it's probably just fine. Michael.N. wrote: I'm a big fan of spiral paper bushings. In fact I'd put them in a brand new build. Their advantage is that there's no end grain/side grain, the hole that the peg sits in is homogeneous all the way around. When it finally wears out? well it's easily replaced, in fact you shouldn't need to ream any wood at all. That's very interesting, I had to look that up. Very clever idea indeed. FlyingFred wrote: I have an old Martin with pegs. The holes have rosewood around them. Cool. Yeah the one's pictured above do indeed look like rosewood. |
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| Author: | wbergman [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
spiral paper bushings OK, I know this was a recent topic, but I cannot find it. Please provide me the link. |
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| Author: | Clay S. [ Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
There are a number of discussions on the Maestronet forum, here is one of them (read past the gibberish): https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php? ... l-bushing/ And another and better: https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php? ... -question/ |
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| Author: | jfmckenna [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
Here's a pretty good pictorial on these bushings too: https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php? ... -bushings/ |
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| Author: | John Arnold [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
I don't think you need any bushings in beech. It's pretty hard wood. Those Martin necks are Spanish cedar, which is relatively soft. |
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| Author: | jfmckenna [ Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
John Arnold wrote: I don't think you need any bushings in beech. It's pretty hard wood. Those Martin necks are Spanish cedar, which is relatively soft. Thanks John. Quick question, was it common for those old Martins to install a wood bushing(if so what kind of wood is it?) or do you think the above photo's are repair work? |
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| Author: | John Arnold [ Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
Martin installed wood bushings that are probably rosewood. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | jfmckenna [ Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What wood did Martin use in friction peg holes |
John Arnold wrote: Martin installed wood bushings that are probably rosewood. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk Thanks John. |
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