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Author:  Michaeldc [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Octave mando in the white
I finally got around to setting up the guitar-body octave I posted a while back. It sounds worthy of a finish. I'm thinking of doing a kind of coffee-burst sort a thing.

It may be a while in coming,

M
Author:  Brad Goodman [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:35 pm ]
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Really nice!
Author:  J De Rocher [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:38 pm ]
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Really looking forward to seeing and hearing that one!
Author:  Chris Pile [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:08 pm ]
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Thumbs up from here!
Author:  Michaeldc [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:18 pm ]
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J De Rocher wrote:
Really looking forward to seeing and hearing that one!


Let's make it happen!
Author:  Freeman [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:37 pm ]
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Nice.
Author:  Mark Mc [ Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:02 pm ]
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Yep - a burst would suit that very nicely!
Author:  Ruby50 [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:42 am ]
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Michael
That looks like a guitar body - is it a traditional thing? By the way it is am "octave mando in the black-and-white"

Ed
Author:  Michaeldc [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:54 am ]
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Ruby50 wrote:
Michael
That looks like a guitar body - is it a traditional thing? By the way it is am "octave mando in the black-and-white"

Ed


From what I've read guitar body ovtaves have been around since the mid-20s. And you are absolutely correct, in the black and white...
Author:  sdsollod [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:03 am ]
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That is very cool Michael. Did you go by a plan? ...maybe starting with an octave mando plan and "transferring" to guitar shaped body? It kinda looks like an archtop body shape...
Author:  Michaeldc [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:20 am ]
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sdsollod wrote:
That is very cool Michael. Did you go by a plan? ...maybe starting with an octave mando plan and "transferring" to guitar shaped body? It kinda looks like an archtop body shape...


A luthier buddy and I hired a CAD wiz-kid to model a Gibson L-5 for us. Once we had the drawings of the plates it took only a minute to rescale them to what ever size we wanted. All of my instruments are drawn using a 2-D CAD program. With the exception of the L-5 plates, all of my designs are my own.

Obviously a good portion of my work is done on my CNC.

Best, M
Author:  Woodie G [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:18 pm ]
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We still have the templates from the two guitar-shaped octave mandolins built here back in 2012 or so - the top profiles from the Benedetto planes were reduced via reduction photo-copy to fit a 00-sized body, and a full-sized layout was done to set the neck angle and ensure 'under-the-extension' adjustment of the Martin-sourced 2-way truss rod.

The octave is nice in that it makes a great accompaniment instrument for voice, with the G2-E4 standard tuning having close to guitar range, and the guitar body providing improved sustain and power versus the more traditional body. Always an option to string with octave pairs as Sarah Jarosz and Tim O'Brien have done.
Author:  Clay S. [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:39 pm ]
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"Always an option to string with octave pairs as Sarah Jarosz and Tim O'Brien have done."

When I string a guitar bodied instrument in octave pairs I call it a "double strung tenor guitar", but I guess that is just quibbling over semantics.

That is a fine looking octave mandolin. What scale length did you use, Michael?
Author:  Michaeldc [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:55 pm ]
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Clay S. wrote:
"Always an option to string with octave pairs as Sarah Jarosz and Tim O'Brien have done."

When I string a guitar bodied instrument in octave pairs I call it a "double strung tenor guitar", but I guess that is just quibbling over semantics.

That is a fine looking octave mandolin. What scale length did you use, Michael?


Thanks

20-3/4"

I did an A-style octave with a 22-3/4" scale which was way too long! My fingers just aren't that long...
Author:  billm [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:00 pm ]
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This is fantastic.
I've seen Sarah Jarosz plays an octave mandolin similar to this.. (ah looks like someone has already commented)
Author:  Michaeldc [ Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:08 pm ]
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billm wrote:
This is fantastic.
I've seen Sarah Jarosz plays an octave mandolin similar to this.. (ah looks like someone has already commented)


For those who haven't heard of her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWXAJzZVIik
Author:  Woodie G [ Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:50 am ]
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Mr. Fletcher Brock built Ms. Jarosz's octave mandolin, and we've had one other in the shop - lovely instruments.

Good point on instrument nomenclature. We see both Greek and Irish bouzoukis with guitar-shaped bodies, as well as tenor guitars and guitar-shaped octave mandolins, so I suppose just about any tetrachord could be re-purposed with a string gauge change, retuning and some adjustment of the side or fretboard position markers. Some would argue that our recent oud conversion is simply a short-scaled 7 string, very narrow-necked guitar, but I think the owner might disagree. ;)
Author:  Clay S. [ Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:13 am ]
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"We see both Greek and Irish bouzoukis with guitar-shaped bodies, as well as tenor guitars and guitar-shaped octave mandolins."

I differentiated between the Greek and Irish bouzouki by their body shape. Since they are "breeding" with their Spanish cousins and losing their ethnic purity I suppose I will have to use some other criteria. At one point in time a flat backed mandolin would have been more easily recognised as a cittern, and then of course there is the lute guitar, so I suppose organological nomenclature has always been on a slippery slope.
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