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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:31 pm 
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A silkscreen seems like a lot of effort unless you are doing a production run with the same headstock shape. (Perhaps you are).
How about having a rubber stamp made?
Or a plastic stencil and an airbrush?
Or a branding iron?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:24 pm 
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dzsmith wrote:
A silkscreen seems like a lot of effort unless you are doing a production run with the same headstock shape. (Perhaps you are).
How about having a rubber stamp made?
Or a plastic stencil and an airbrush?
Or a branding iron?

isn't the whole process of building a guitar a whole lot of effort? of course, but we do it anyway.
but it's really not that much effort to make a screen. I had a bit of difficulty with choosing the right medium, but other than that the process has gone quite smoothly; and this is my first time ever even trying.
I think once the screen is made, which you can re-use over and over and over again, it's definitely a lot less work than inlay and I think in the end will give a much more professional look than a decal (which are more than likely screen printed too.)

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Rob, I did some silk screen printing years ago in commercial art school. I've got an old student grade Gibson (well... my niece has it) with a screen printed logo. The only thing I don't understand about your thread is eliminating the outline. Are you referring to a different reflectivity between wood and decal under the finish?
I know that you could build up enough sealer and finish to level sand and polish with either method.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:02 am 
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That's right. Jeremy could probably learn us a thing or two about silk screening couldn't he.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:47 am 
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Ryan Mazzocco wrote:
Sorry for digging this discussion up again, but I just found it in a search. I'm trying to do this right now and here's the problem I'm having. I don't know what ink to use. the tutorials I found online said you can use an autobody paint, either enamel or lacquer based... I thought that since it was enamel based I could just use a little bottle of enamel paint like you use for painting on model cars. This was way too thin and runny and just made a huge mess under the screen. So I went to autozone and got a little bottle of touch up paint. it worked a lot better but almost instantly dried in my screen and I cannot get it cleaned out with mineral spirits and warm water and scrubbing. I'm afraid a harsher chemical like lacquer thinner may strip the emulsion. I may have ruined my screen.
So, since most every screen printing ink I've seen is labeled as being specifically for fabric, what can I use? I also am looking for a gold metallic look.


Nice job Rob, it looks great

I never screen printed on wood before but I did some research a couple of months ago on printing on wood. I plan on printing on a pair of wooden eyeglasses that I'm working on. I used to screen print professionally, but I don't consider myself an expert.

There are a few company's that make screen printing inks that are specially formulated for printing on wood, plastics, metals and glass. Nazdar 59000 series inks should work just fine on wood. The good thing about company's that make screen printing inks is that for every ink system they sell, there is technical data that explains how to use the inks. The technical data also indicates what kind of stencil to use, what solvents to use for clean up, mesh count recommendations, squeege durometer etc... For a head stock logo, I personally would use a solvent resistant capillary film stencil instead of applying a liquid emulsion, even though a solvent resistant liquid emulsion will work just fine. Capillary film is made to a certain micron thickness by a machine and is a applied to a clear backing film, so the stencil is more uniform through out. Also, It's easier to apply to the screen, and isn't messy like liquid emulsion. You will also produce higher resolution prints using capillary film which is the main reason I use it. When I screen print on fabric I only use capillary film. It is more expensive than liquid emulsion, but some distributors (Victory Factory Jamaica Queens, NY) sell small amounts for under $20 (I think it's about $12.00 for a few sheets).

The Nazdar 59000 series has an air dry catalyst that is either pre-added or that the user can mix into the ink. No heat is required. The 59000 ink system also has a flattening agent to reduce gloss. I would first do all the pore filling sanding etc... then screen print the logo. I would test on scrap first. If you're printing on dark wood and want good coverage you may want to print an under base of clear or white then print your desired color on top so that the print will be more opaque, and so that no grain shows through. You would also need to choke the under base art work about 2 points so that it's not seen. You can also print the clear ink over your print to seal it. Another good thing about company's that manufacture screen printing inks is they have a tech department so that you can call and ask question before you order. One last thing that is trivial: silk is rarely used in screen printing these days. Silk is more expensive than synthetic fabrics, and not as stable, and is more difficult to reclaim . You can reclaim the screen (erase the image) by using chlorine bleach or a special screen reclaimer. These days monofilament polyester is the preferred fabric for screen printing, and can be stretched to a very high tension for superior print results.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:24 pm 
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okay, so here is my very first attempt ever at silk screening a logo on a guitar headstock. I had to go at it a few times before I got it to this point. The first attempt I didn't cover very well and there were some bald spots. The second time was too much and it smudged and smeared everywhere. I think it was the fourth time that I figured out the right amount of ink to put in the tray and the right amount of pressure to spread it with. the technique still needs work but I think I'm on the right track.
I got so excited that I took off my shirt and printed the logo on it too. bliss
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