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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:11 pm 
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I like to measure mix ratios by weight instead of by volume, when I can. Royal Lac Post Catalyzed shows a mix ratio of 7 to 1 by volume, so I contacted Vijay to find out what mix ratio by weight he recommends. This is his response, which goes a bit further and provides some recommendations on thinning and a spray schedule:

Hi Don,

Volume or weight, the ratio of 7:1 remains same. I usually make a mixture of
21 gm of finish and 3 gm of catalyst. Next I add 21-25 gm of denatured
alcohol and mix well. This consistency is good for brushing, padding or
spraying. If you are spraying or brushing, no more than 4 coats in a day
with 2 hours in between coats. Padding is different because it is dependent
on how much alcohol is added to the pad. Watch my videos for more
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After first day of application wait for 24 hours before deciding to apply
more coats. Each day of application is followed by a day of rest before
application resumption.

If you are padding, make a new pad for each day of application.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:45 pm 
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Great information. I haver been spraying non diluted. I am about ready to start spraying a ukulele tomorrow and we will see how it sprays diluted.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:54 pm 
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Don. I have been French polishing with regular Royal Lac but am interested in spraying with the post cat product. Please let us know how it goes.

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Don, I don't know the shelf life on this stuff, but I bought Royal-Lac Post Catalyzed ( Shade: Clear Super Blonde, Size: Quart ), back in January of 2017. It's never been opened. I also have Seal-Lac ( Shade: Super Blonde, Size: Quart ).

If it will still be good and is useful for you I will ship it to you. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:56 pm 
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That’s a generous offer, Brad, but I think that would be beyond the shelf life, so let’s not. I appreciate it, though. I think I remember that you didn’t have a good experience with Royal Lac. Any details you can share? I French polished a guitar with the original formula a few years ago, and I liked it. Now that I can spray, I’m looking forward to experimenting a bit.


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What is the shelf life post catalyzation? Do you mix a fresh batch for each spray session or can you mix up enough at once for one days spraying or the entire spray schedule spread over many days?


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doncaparker wrote:
That’s a generous offer, Brad, but I think that would be beyond the shelf life, so let’s not. I appreciate it, though. I think I remember that you didn’t have a good experience with Royal Lac. Any details you can share? I French polished a guitar with the original formula a few years ago, and I liked it. Now that I can spray, I’m looking forward to experimenting a bit.


No worries, just thought I would check. It will make it to the trash on the next shop purge. :)

I wouldn't put too much stock in my experience with Royal Lac. I was definitely not diluting the product, so that could be it. I was also spraying with an Earlex unit at that time and I had a hard time getting anything to work back then. :) I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback on it.

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Chris Ide wrote:
What is the shelf life post catalyzation? Do you mix a fresh batch for each spray session or can you mix up enough at once for one days spraying or the entire spray schedule spread over many days?


Chris--

I figured I would give a little more detail than I did before. It is a catalyzed finish with a 10 hour pot life. Vijay recommends only spraying a maximum of 4 coats in a day, 2 hours apart, so that gets you to a little over 6 hours that are needed for 4 coats, then you stop for the day. So, it makes sense to mix enough for 4 coats in a single day. But, I see no reason why you couldn't mix it fresh for each coat, if you wanted to.


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