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 Post subject: Testing Hygrometers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:54 pm 
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I use potassium Bicarbonate in wine making so I have it on hand.
Rather than buy Potassium Carbonate can I use Potassium Bicarbonate to check a hygrometer?

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 Post subject: Re: Testing Hygrometers
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Potassium Carbonate is used commonly for checks because the RH of a saturated solution is 43 which is useful for us builder types, and doesn't vary a lot with temperature.
Good luck finding what the RH for a saturated solution of the bicarbonate, I googled it and had no luck.
P.S. Fortunately, Potassium carbonate is pretty cheap, try ebay?

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Thanks Colin.Yep I tried googling it also with no luck.
I was relying on the wisdom of the group.
I may have to get a crow bar and pry my wallet open and buy the right stuff.

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a $5.99 calibration kit won't do?


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arie wrote:
a $5.99 calibration kit won't do?


FWIW, the two calibration kits I saw on Amazon test at 75% and 35%. I read somewhere (maybe here :)) that assuming that the reading is linear might be a mistake. Meaning, assuming that +1 at 75% would just be +1 at 45% is not guaranteed. So the potassium carbonate test which I think hits 43% is closer to the luthier Goldilocks zone.



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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J5SWLK0/re ... 1_ST1_dp_1

This amount is good for years of tests.

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Well now y'all now how cheap I am.

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Dave Rickard wrote:
Well now y'all now how cheap I am.


Bet I'm cheaper....

Three words:

Wet Bulb Testing

What Brad said about these various chemical tests have sweet spots for accuracy in terms of range where a Wet Bulb Test could care less. Two cheap lab thermometers and either a vac or fan and you're in business.


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You used to be able to get those Psychro-Dyne psycrometers for pretty cheap on eBay and they are perfect for calibrating cheap hygrometers.


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[quote="Hesh"
Bet I'm cheaper.....[/quote]

They call me "Nickel Dave"
When I pry my wallet open moths come flying out
I'd bet ya but I don't want to take the risk.

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J De Rocher wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J5SWLK0/ref=pe_385040_30332190_TE_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

This amount is good for years of tests.


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I think I’m going to fill a big bucket with wet potassium carbonate in the shop and keep the door closed. Then I won’t need a hygrometer because the room will always be 43% :)

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Brilliant! [:Y:]

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Bryan Bear wrote:
I think I’m going to fill a big bucket with wet potassium carbonate in the shop and keep the door closed. Then I won’t need a hygrometer because the room will always be 43% :)


Sploosh! My mind is officially blown. "No, man! We're IN the bag! Right now!"



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I was kind of surprised how much heat that little dish kicked out when I did this recently.


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jfmckenna wrote:
You used to be able to get those Psychro-Dyne psycrometers for pretty cheap on eBay and they are perfect for calibrating cheap hygrometers.


They still are cheap on fleabay, and they are fantastic for calibrating.

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bcombs510 wrote:
I was kind of surprised how much heat that little dish kicked out when I did this recently.


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With Potassium carbonate you get a reaction that produces heat. Shouldn't be enough to set the place on fire but not sure about a bucketful.


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I suppose the bucket of wet potassium carbonate doesn’t pass the “how will I explain this to the paramedics” test. Darn.


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I suppose I should say, for the record, I am not keeping an open bucket of potassium carbonate in my workshop. My typing tends to look the same whether my tongue is in my cheek or not. . .

I'm glad to hear that the reaction gives off heat though. It will give me a little more time before my hide glue gels. Wait, there I go again. . . :)

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Porcelain dishes suspended from the ceiling approximately 3 feet above the work area. Should be able to get rid of any heat lamps you might be using.

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